So, I'm reading "Wilco: Learning How to Die"

[ction]

Wrong answer.

[Spawn's dad]

I like Uncle Tupelo better?

[Lammycat]

The corrct answer is:

 

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[oceanman]

That's retarded logic. There was at least two chapters dedicated to the fall of Tupulo. It's too bad the writer wasn't more informed of this crucial event when he wrote it. It just made Jay out to be an asshole that couldn't get along with anyone. Well, I'd be pretty pissed too if my oldest friend and band mate made the moves on my girl.

Makes the rest of the book seem less than honest. I wonder what else Kot didn't know about.

Maybe Wilco was actually named after the gas station where the band was filling up on gas when Jeff grabbed Jay's girlfriend's boobie while he thought Jay was asleep.

I'm trying to hold back any lashing comment that might bring mysef down to your level,so I'll just say the book was directed towards WILCO,not UT,not Jay or Jay's life after UT.Kot didn't make Jeff out to be an angel either,rather some quite personal and embarasing dirt that made him out as a sick coattailling imature asshole.There was no praise or glorified promotion of Jeff Tweedy in this book,it was a story told by a third party to describe a band and it's journey through the good bad and the ugly.

[oceanman]

From an interview with Jay Farrar in Relix magazine, reprinted in Glorious Noise:

I read this when it came out..................this is Jay talking.Jeff would never directly do an interveiw about Jay.I thought it was pretty weak of Jay, just my opinion.

[caliber66]

Wrong answer.

Sorry, mang.

 

I'm trying to hold back any lashing comment that might bring mysef down to your level,so I'll just say the book was directed towards WILCO,not UT,not Jay or Jay's life after UT.Kot didn't make Jeff out to be an angel either,rather some quite personal and embarasing dirt that made him out as a sick coattailling imature asshole.There was no praise or glorified promotion of Jeff Tweedy in this book,it was a story told by a third party to describe a band and it's journey through the good bad and the ugly.

Oh, the book was definitely slanted in Wilco's favor. To suggest it's balanced is either naive or disingenuous. That's okay, though. The book was about Wilco (and authorized), and therefore one should have expected it to be biased. Nothing wrong with Jay giving his version of events, either, just as Jeff has been since the band broke up. Jay's keeping his silence for a decade did not forfeit his right to speak up about it.

[caliber66]

I read this when it came out..................this is Jay talking.Jeff would never directly do an interveiw about Jay.I thought it was pretty weak of Jay, just my opinion.

Did you miss the part where a book came out that presented Jeff's side? Or is that somehow different from an interview because it's got a cover?

[oceanman]

Jay's keeping his silence for a decade did not forfeit his right to speak up about it.

I will agree with that,I just find it kind of strange,it's kind of like he's been holding on to this for the past 12 years.I will say he might of just got a bit fed up with every person that has ever interveiwed him,asking questions about Jeff,UT's breakup and really nothing concerning the music.

[Spawn's dad]

I just don't get how this is Jay holding on to it, but not Jeff being he authorized and participated in a book that discussed it. Why one and not the other? Plus, if there's any truth to what Jay said, I imagine that since he married said woman that would factor in to the kind of things happening that would make most fans happy.

[Edie]

I like Uncle Tupelo and Wilco about the same. I'd probably be happy if they never broke up and just continued making music like they had been.

 

I don't think that jeff would have grown as an artist as part of UT nearly as much as he has with Wilco. And that has made the world a better place (for me).

 

Also, in response to the other stuff in this thread, I have done a lot of very stupid things in my life, and I imagine Jeff has as well, as have us all. Those of us who are not famous do not have to deal with the many, many people who do not know the whole story, or even ourselves at all continually commenting on how stupid/lame/disingenuous we are.

[oceanman]

Did you miss the part where a book came out that presented Jeff's side? Or is that somehow different from an interview because it's got a cover?

I guess I never really saw it as a Jeff's side of the story book because it told all sides of the story.Your post did make me laugh.....not at you,just as how people persive things differnt!Atleast your not calling me a retard,thank you.I personally know their is always two sides to every story,and having a third party story teller is just asking for trouble.

[WaronWar]

Sorry, mang.

Oh, the book was definitely slanted in Wilco's favor. To suggest it's balanced is either naive or disingenuous. That's okay, though. The book was about Wilco (and authorized), and therefore one should have expected it to be biased.

 

Do your research dumbass. Here's a quote for you done by Glorious Noise with Greg Kot and I'll bold what needs to be bolded so you learn how to pick out information.

 

http://www.gloriousnoise.com/features/2004..._book-06-15.php

 

 

 

GLONO: I noticed the back of the book says it's written with the "cooperation of Wilco band members..." It doesn't say "authorized biography" or "unauthorized biography." Can you explain what that means? Did [Wilco manager] Tony Margherita give his stamp of approval on this?

 

Kot: You know, my first call was to Jeff when I thought I've got a book here. I was going to write a book one way or another. I had enough to write a book just based on what had happened, because the whole Reprise/Wilco thing really was the genesis of this book, and I'm sorry this is going to be a kind of convoluted story but I think it's important that you understand, just for your own reference, what happened here. I was on the phone literally every day during that month and a half when that stuff was going down with somebody at Warner Brothers or somebody in Wilco. And I literally had this entire almost minute-by-minute breakdown of how a record company and a band interact over an album that isn't quite what the record company had in mind as far as a commercial entity. And I knew then that I had more than enough material not only for this magazine piece I was working on for the Tribune but for a book. And at that point I knew I could write a book because I'd interviewed Jeff and John [stirrat] and Jay [bennett], all the guys in the band numerous times. What I wanted to do was take the book back further and get the full scope of the story. So I was hoping that they'd cooperate with that and hoped that they would allow me to pry a little deeper into their lives, but it wasn't going to stop me from writing a book.

 

And to my good fortune, Tweedy said, "Cool, you might as well be the one to write the book." He said, "My approach is going to be, I'm not going to hinder what you do. If you wanna interview me, that's fine, but as far as I'm concerned that's your project and I got nothing to do with it." And I said that's great, it is my project. Nobody's going to be able to read this book before it comes out, your comments are going to be on the record, if you decide something shouldn't be on the record you've got to let me know ahead of time, the ground rules were laid out with everybody. And everybody understood this is where I was coming from.

 

I rode out with Tony [Marherita] to see the end of the first leg of that Wilco tour. And we rode out to St. Louis together and I got five hours of me and Tony talking on tape. And another five hours on the ride back. So I had the guy who was with Jeff from the record store in St. Louis. I got good access. They cooperated in that they allowed me to interview them. Again and again and again to the point where I'm sitting in John Stirrat's house and I know that the sun's going up and it's going down and John's kind of looking at me like, "Are you ever gonna leave?"

 

But these guys are incredibly gracious about that, so I've got to give them credit for allowing me to ask these questions. And for the most part they were incredibly cooperative. But in terms of the authorized/unauthorized stuff, no they didn't authorize it. They didn't have nay financial stake in it. They knew that from the start. They knew they weren't going to get to read the book before it was published. As they're reading the book they're finding out stuff just like any reader is. I got a call from one of the guys in the band a few days ago and he said, "You know, we're all gonna learn something from this because some of this stuff is new to me," and he was like, "Wow, I didn't realize this," or "I didn't realize that."

[caliber66]

I don't think that jeff would have grown as an artist as part of UT nearly as much as he has with Wilco. And that has made the world a better place (for me).

 

Also, in response to the other stuff in this thread, I have done a lot of very stupid things in my life, and I imagine Jeff has as well, as have us all. Those of us who are not famous do not have to deal with the many, many people who do not know the whole story, or even ourselves at all contiually commenting on how stupid/lame/disingenuous we are.

Edie, I agree. I'm sure Jeff regrets having made a pass at Jay's girlfriend, if that is, in fact, what happened. This is simply about both sides being represented after ten years. There is nothing wrong with giving both sides a voice, and balancing what had been a very one-sided discussion to that point.

 

Do your research dumbass. Here's a quote for you done by Glorious Noise with Greg Kot and I'll bold what needs to be bolded so you learn how to pick out information.

It was authorized in the sense that Jeff Tweedy and the rest of the band willingly gave interviews. I'm not by any means suggesting that Jeff had go/no go editing rights, but the book is Wilco-centric and presents far more of Jeff's side. Is that because Jay chose not to talk about the breakup for the book? Perhaps, but the fact remains that the only side (between the two principals of UT) that was presented in the book was Jeff's. If you want to argue semantics, we can argue semantics, but the focus and bias of the book was Wilco.

 

Thanks for calling me a dumbass.

[Edie]

Edie, I agree. I'm sure Jeff regrets having made a pass at Jay's girlfriend, if that is, in fact, what happened. This is simply about both sides being represented after ten years. There is nothing wrong with giving both sides a voice, and balancing what had been a very one-sided discussion to that point.

 

I don't have an argument with any "sides" speaking, dumbass

[oceanman]

I just don't get how this is Jay holding on to it, but not Jeff being he authorized and participated in a book that discussed it. Why one and not the other? Plus, if there's any truth to what Jay said, I imagine that since he married said woman that would factor in to the kind of things happening that would make most fans happy.

Not saying either party was right or wrong,things like this happen everyday.I just think it's better to talk about it then keeping things like that inside.I had a girlfriend for nine years that cheated on me with three of my closets friends,if I still held on to that I would be a mess.In my own opinion,I think Jay has held onto alot of emotions he could have let go a long time ago.Even his music has reflected this,up until his recent alblum I couldn't stand how sad and depressing his music has been,I guess it takes longer for people to get through shit,I still respect the man and what he does,I just side with Jeff because he wears his heart on his sleeve for everyone to see.

[socbret]

I'd rather argue semitics.... שם vs. ساميّ

[WaronWar]

The book is not really about Wilco. Its not about Jeff or anyone involved with the band's personal life. It is about the music Wilco makes and how their personal lives interact to the music they make. That's why I like the book so much because Kot could have wrote a typical horrible rock and roll biography: sex and drugs. But instead, he focus on what Wilco is all about: the music.

[caliber66]

The book is not really about Wilco. Its not about Jeff or anyone involved with the band's personal life. It is about the music Wilco makes and how their personal lives interact to the music they make. That's why I like the book so much because Kot could have wrote a typical horrible rock and roll biography: sex and drugs. But instead, he focus on what Wilco is all about: the music.

Plus, he presents Jeff's side of the Uncle Tupelo breakup. That didn't really have anything to do with the music Wilco makes, but don't let that get in the way of making your point.

[oceanman]

Can we please leave out the Dumb Ass and Retard remarks,Half the people I'm debating this subject with I consider my friends and will remain my friends with after this.

 

 

 

WEEN ROCKS

[socbret]

The book is not really about Wilco. Its not about Jeff or anyone involved with the band's personal life. It is about the music Wilco makes and how their personal lives interact to the music they make. That's why I like the book so much because Kot could have wrote a typical horrible rock and roll biography: sex and drugs. But instead, he focus on what Wilco is all about: the music.

So your point is that it is about Wilco and Wilco only, but it's not about Wilco...

Edit: I'm just being a dumbass.

[cryptique]

The book is not really about Wilco.

It is about the music Wilco makes and how their personal lives interact to the music they make.

 

That's a pretty incoherent post for someone who just called someone else a dumbass.

[Elixir Sue]

I don't see what's so wrong with that logic. Jeff clearly spoke up for the Kot book. If what Jay said was totally wrong, why wouldn't he say something about it?

Sorry, that was just the criminal defense attorney coming out in me. Still, I don't think it's fair to assume that because Jeff didn't say anything, it must have been true. Maybe he just didn't feel the need to perpetuate a feud between him and Jay, and didn't want to talk publicly about private stuff that happened between them. Or maybe he thought it was so ridiculous, it didn't deserve a response. I guess we'll never know for sure.

[caliber66]

I see your point. It just seems inconsistent to me that he would speak up in the book and give his perspective, then clam up when Jay presents his side. It's certainly possible that Jay's lying, but I choose to believe him.

[oceanman]

Some side with the leaves,some side with the seeds.

[oceanman]

It's certainly possible that Jay's lying, but I choose to believe him.

I believe it to,but whats the point in talking about it 12 years after the fact,I guess thats how I saw it as not letting go.