Wilco/Religion

[sweetheart-mine]

My bad guys, I'm new here and didn't know these types of threads were frowned upon.

hey, i've been wondering about jeff tweedy's take on religion myself recently, and i don't view your original post as all that personal and certainly not inappropriate. it's just as interesting for public discussion as any other of the many facets of life that jeff tweedy refers to in his lyrics. why would he bother writing them if he weren't trying to engage people and make them question or ruminate?

 

thanks to the poster who linked to the 2006 discussion on tweedy and religion. by the way, the person who started that thread, on 9/27/2006, has made 1,317 posts on this forum. it's hardly a topic that would occur only to newbies.

[lost highway]

Yeah WTF guys? How is discussing lyrical content with obvious religious implications off-color? Posting 'I don't care' is like attending an open debate and getting on the microphone and saying 'I don't care, and you're dumb for talking about this'. If you don't care, don't post. I thought this was a place for communication, not playground politics.

[SlowBurn68]

I would think that members of Wilco all make a distinction between being spiritual and being religious. To make such wonderful music as Wilco does you would have to be Spiritual in your own way.

[cryptique]

Yeah WTF guys? How is discussing lyrical content with obvious religious implications off-color? Posting 'I don't care' is like attending an open debate and getting on the microphone and saying 'I don't care, and you're dumb for talking about this'. If you don't care, don't post. I thought this was a place for communication, not playground politics.

I didn't say it was off-color. I just don't happen to care, which I believe to be a perfectly valid response to the question. Seriously, why does it matter? Can't you enjoy art for what it is, without having to know every personal detail about the people who created it?

 

I'm not saying such a question can't be posted here, I'm just questioning why the answer is important. Clear?

 

Oh, and thanks very much for putting words in my mouth, by the way. That's like attending an open debate and claiming I said something that I didn't. Talk about "playground politics."

[aricandover]

I didn't say it was off-color. I just don't happen to care, which I believe to be a perfectly valid response to the question. Seriously, why does it matter? Can't you enjoy art for what it is, without having to know every personal detail about the people who created it?

 

I'm not saying such a question can't be posted here, I'm just questioning why the answer is important. Clear?

 

Oh, and thanks very much for putting words in my mouth, by the way. That's like attending an open debate and claiming I said something that I didn't. Talk about "playground politics."

 

and you call yourself a fan.

[rac1234]

If you look around at other message boards, threads that have to do with band members personal lives are generally ridiculed, met with hostility, or something else. I recently saw some threads on another board that had to do with someone finding out where a band member lived - and how they were going "try and meet him". I suppose there is apoint where fan really becomes fanatic.

 

 

i guess as someone with over 28,000 posts on this board, you would be qualified to teach us what a fantatic is. apologies.

[aricandover]

i guess as someone with over 28,000 posts on this board, you would be qualified to teach us what a fantatic is. apologies.

 

I'm willing to bet that the majority of his posts are in the non-wilco related sections of this board.

[rac1234]

I'm willing to bet that the majority of his posts are in the non-wilco related sections of this board.

 

 

you're right. i bet about 26,000 of them include the words: Previous thread on this topic.

[hummingBERG]

Philosophical debates/discussions on the bands music and lyrics (whether for or not) about religion seems totally proper to me. Some people just don't want to think or talk about that stuff regardless and avoid it by getting into music like Wilco's in the first place This is why it is affiliated it is frowned upon by some. It is a whole thread all in itself I would tend to think. It is a slippery slope when you get beliefs involved in peoples opinions because there really are no ultimate truths when it comes to opinions (no matter how whacked out they are).

 

In reading through some of the threads on this board (and responses to this thread in particular) I have found some rather harsh voices on here. However, the point is a free speech forum where peeps can get their voice heard, questions pondered, or their wilco-nerd-flag-a-waving.

 

Still a little common courtesy to the newbies (and old-schoolers) wouldn't hurt anyone but it seems mixed across the board anyways. There are always going to be people that are kind and people that are dicks in everything you do and everywhere you go. It is part of the balance of the universe. Hence, to be expected even on the forum of the great Wilco ( ) with their legions of fans. However, I have found an overall message of love for the human-experience in their music and Jeff's lyrics. Make of that what you will.

 

I am going to step down from my metaphorical soapbox by saying I love () the spirit and music of Wilco, and the majority of the fans on this board. Yes I do expect to get slammed by one of you or another for this post but it won't slow me down one way or the other. Keep on. ( - )

[aricandover]

you're right. i bet about 26,000 of them include the words: Previous thread on this topic.

 

he's providing a service.

[sweetheart-mine]

Can't you enjoy art for what it is, without having to know every personal detail about the people who created it?

of course. jeff tweedy is a highly intelligent, imaginative, and thought-provoking artist, though. i think he intends to be thought-provoking, and he has said some really fascinating, metaphoric, and ambiguous things about religion/spirituality. it seems only natural to wonder where he's coming from. no doubt one day he'd say one thing about it and the next day something else -- just as one day people can "enjoy art for what it is" and the next day wonder what worldview or ideas are behind it.

[Analogman]

i guess as someone with over 28,000 posts on this board, you would be qualified to teach us what a fantatic is. apologies.

 

 

All I am saying is - threads like this don't always go over well. I have seen it on other boards and on here. It's similiar to the threads that get started about the location of the loft.

 

It would be even more than that - many of us have been around since 2002 - many of them before me. I began listeing to Wilco when A.M. came out - by the way.

 

Also - people need to learn how to use the search function - at least that is what I was taught. And while we are it - people also need to stop posting Mp3's of shows.

[rac1234]

I began listeing to Wilco when A.M. came out - by the way.

 

Oh!! If I had known I wouldn't have said anything. I'm so so sorry. I had no idea.

[rac1234]

he's providing a service.

 

 

He's NOT providing a service if he is constantly attempting to censor thread topics. I've said this before - this is a forum meant as a platform to foster discussions on WILCO. Anything Wilco-related is fair game. If you don't want to participate in a discussion about where the loft is, or what religion Jeff practices - then don't! But please, stay out of it and stop trying to control the topics on a public forum. Sheesh.

[hummingBERG]

people need to learn how to use the search function - at least that is what I was taught. And while we are it - people also need to stop posting Mp3's of shows.

 

That is what I'm talking about - teach the newbies how to do it instead of just getting pissed at them - regardless of you being the one getting pissed, or not (giving props to analogman here to be clear) But just wondering why no mp3's?

 

Also, if you liked the band since day one or you just heard about them when they had a VW commercial, who really cares as long as the passion and love is genuine for their incredible music. Luckily I fall somewhere between there but whether you were a founding member of this forum/board or not. It is a public forum. Peeps should figure out the etiquette (including myself) and follow the rules and regulations. If keeping it totally old school is the idea, make it private where the moderator or an existing member need to invite you to be part if it? Dig?

 

I know that this is now getting farther and farther away from the original topic of the thread but it is definitely relevant.

[aricandover]

He's NOT providing a service if he is constantly attempting to censor thread topics. I've said this before - this is a forum meant as a platform to foster discussions on WILCO. Anything Wilco-related is fair game. If you don't want to participate in a discussion about where the loft is, or what religion Jeff practices - then don't! But please, stay out of it and stop trying to control the topics on a public forum. Sheesh.

 

I'm pretty sure the Mods/Admis will back me up on this, it might not be posted, but it's a board rule that discussion about the loft's location is off limits.

[rac1234]

I'm pretty sure the Mods/Admis will back me up on this, it might not be posted, but it's a board rule that discussion about the loft's location is off limits.

 

 

Fair enough. And you're right - THAT would be fanatical. But I think speculating on the religion of a band whose writings have some religious overtones is totally reasonable. My point is that people on here are so quick to judge and jump down peoples' throats. It's a very holier-than-thou attitude... no pun intended.

[Analogman]

That is what I'm talking about - teach the newbies how to do it instead of just getting pissed at them - regardless of you being the one getting pissed, or not (giving props to analogman here to be clear) But just wondering why no mp3's?

 

Also, if you liked the band since day one or you just heard about them when they had a VW commercial, who really cares as long as the passion and love is genuine for their incredible music. Luckily I fall somewhere between there but whether you were a founding member of this forum/board or not. It is a public forum. Peeps should figure out the etiquette (including myself) and follow the rules and regulations. If keeping it totally old school is the idea, make it private where the moderator or an existing member need to invite you to be part if it? Dig?

 

I know that this is now getting farther and farther away from the original topic of the thread but it is definitely relevant.

 

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I was yanking his chain a bit with the A.M. comment.

 

I may post a lot of BS, but - I did help someome with BT stuff the other day, so that is saying something.

[mathew]

i gotta agree , dont like the post ignore it it will disapear to the second page in a day

who cares? well i do who cares that you dont, well you do okay.

back to the orginal post this article is from being there era and jeff talks about his beliefs as biological or something and the universe and all that.

Jeff has also said the reason why he loves bob dylan so much is because when you listen your listening to a person(whether contrived or not)

wilcos songs are definetly personal and we all feel that

so who cares i'd guesse jeff tweedy

 

http://www.geocities.com/nutnhunee/0197cmj.html

this is a great read by the way

[hummingBERG]

Like I said - I was giving props for sure. Thanks for the clarification on the mp3 thing though.

[letsgodowntogether]

i gotta agree , dont like the post ignore it it will disapear to the second page in a day

who cares? well i do who cares that you dont, well you do okay.

back to the orginal post this article is from being there era and jeff talks about his beliefs as biological or something and the universe and all that.

Jeff has also said the reason why he loves bob dylan so much is because when you listen your listening to a person(whether contrived or not)

wilcos songs are definetly personal and we all feel that

so who cares i'd guesse jeff tweedy

 

http://www.geocities.com/nutnhunee/0197cmj.html

this is a great read by the way

Thanks for posting this. thats the kind of answer i was looking for when i started this topic. i actually did try using the search function but it didn't bring up the previous thread.

[aricandover]

Thanks for posting this. thats the kind of answer i was looking for when i started this topic. i actually did try using the search function but it didn't bring up the previous thread.

 

just so you know, I gave a legit answer as far as "Rulling Class" is concerned.

[idigworms]

From Jeff Tweedy | The A.V. Club:

 

AVC: You were once quoted as saying that performing on stage was the closest you could imagine to a religious experience. Can you elaborate?

 

JT: I don't remember saying that. I do remember feeling that way, but I don't remember placing myself onstage so much. It doesn't necessarily matter if I'm onstage or not. I just find the communal experience of a rock concert, or any type of music performance, achieves a kind of transcendence that I associate with spirituality. It's the closest thing to what I think people expect church to be like. Or maybe just what I've always thought church should be. It's as close to it as I feel like I've gotten. You lose yourself, and at the same time come to the realization or understanding that you're part of something bigger than yourself. That's the main function of religion, in my mind.

 

So come on, people: more snap, less crap.

[letsgodowntogether]

just so you know, I gave a legit answer as far as "Rulling Class" is concerned.

thanks dude, that does sound like the kind of person you would meet in rehab.

[Guest Jules]

But just wondering why no mp3's?

if you feel like reading through this thread

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