cryptique Posted December 4, 2007 Author Share Posted December 4, 2007 Personally I think America is imploding because big business has its hand in everything the government does, not vice versa.Hear hear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Golyadkin Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Shit, Guantanamo is nothing. Another question: Ever see a Cuban rally for Castro in Miami? Me either, Doug said he has, but he has seen a lot of shit. If that was the case, then why are they leaving? I can understand you thinking that, for BB does influence Gov. But Gov has their hands deep in those pockets, and is impeding progress. Like I wrote before China is building cities in the time it has taken us to decide what is going to replace the Trade Towers. Middle East is booming... and we are arguing about saying God in school. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 I'd hardly call Gitmo nothing. Between that and Abu Grahib I think they've done more damage to the way the world looks at America than anything else in my lifetime. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Golyadkin Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 I'd hardly call Gitmo nothing. Between that and Abu Grahib I think they've done more damage to the way the world looks at America than anything else in my lifetime. If you are going to compare those two than they are compared as one being night and the other being day. Abu Grahib was quite disturbing. Gitmo is being run better than any lock up facility in America. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 How so? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Golyadkin Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 How so? Open viewing for our leaders and world leaders for starters. Violence is extremly limited. The inmates are a healthy weight compared to when they were captured. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Open viewing for our leaders and world leaders for starters. Violence is extremly limited. The inmates are a healthy weight compared to when they were captured.Where does the concept of due process of law fit in among all of that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Golyadkin Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Where does the concept of due process of law fit in among all of that? As soon as they are not military / war criminals. End of story. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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cryptique Posted December 4, 2007 Author Share Posted December 4, 2007 As soon as they are not military / war criminals. End of story.HAHAHAHAAA that's such a bullshit answer. "End of story." Hilarious. Many of those at Guantanamo are only "military / war criminals" because the Bush administration says they are. No evidence, no attorneys, no due process, nothing. Lots of them just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and got picked up. They're in a legal black hole, held without charges. Actual war criminals would be treated far better than that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Plus it's illegal for us to have a prison there in the first place. The treaty giving the United States control of Guantamano did so for the purpose of having coaling and naval stations there. It says nothing about having a military prison there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 HAHAHAHAAA that's such a bullshit answer. "End of story." Hilarious. Many of those at Guantanamo are only "military / war criminals" because the Bush administration says they are. No evidence, no attorneys, no due process, nothing. Lots of them just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and got picked up. They're in a legal black hole, held without charges. Actual war criminals would be treated far better than that.Maybe. But anyone who joins al-Qaida, I have no real sympathy for. They should be treated in accord with the Geneva Conventions because failure to do so corrodes us, not because I feel they particularly deserve to be well-treated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 I'm not certain that everyone at Guantanamo has been proven (or even claimed) to be members of al Qaeda. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted December 4, 2007 Author Share Posted December 4, 2007 Maybe. But anyone who joins al-Qaida, I have no real sympathy for.You're assuming all those at Guantanamo joined al-Qaida. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 As soon as they are not military / war criminals. End of story. As cryptique said, if they were military/war criminals they'd have more rights. End of story. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 You're assuming all those at Guantanamo joined al-Qaida.Which probably isn't true. Some people have been let out of there, no? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Golyadkin Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Many have been let go. But most are there for fighting the US military and for supporting Al-Qaida. Yes some are there for the wrong place at the wrong time. Which is terrible, but it happens. Cryptique, don't confuse facts for your hatred of Bush, the bad guys are still the bad guys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted December 4, 2007 Author Share Posted December 4, 2007 Many have been let go. But most are there for fighting the US military and for supporting Al-Qaida. Yes some are there for the wrong place at the wrong time. Which is terrible, but it happens. Cryptique, don't confuse facts for your hatred of Bush, the bad guys are still the bad guys.You're the one fudging the facts here. Also: "Yes some are there for the wrong place at the wrong time. Which is terrible, but it happens." Jesus. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Why would someone hang around the Taliban or al-Qaida? Because they are PRO-American? I'm a fairly liberal person, but that ends when it comes to people who want to kill me because I am not Muslim. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted December 4, 2007 Author Share Posted December 4, 2007 Why would someone hang around the Taliban or al-Qaida? Because they are PRO-American? I'm a fairly liberal person, but that ends when it comes to people who want to kill me because I am not Muslim.What begins where that ends? Deprivation of all rights? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Golyadkin Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 It is reality, grow up and deal with it. I am not "fudging" anything. Look at my post. Read it again. What is fudged? Are most there for fighting the US military and for supporting Al-Qaida? Are some there for being in the wrong place at the wrong time? Again don't let your hatred confuse you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 What begins where that ends? Deprivation of all rights?I am not in favor of that. I am in favor of treating Taliban/al-Qaida prisoners as we treated Japanese and German prisoners in WWII, which was a damn sight better than the Germans and ESPECIALLY the Japanese treated American prisoners. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bubs101 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Many have been let go. But most are there for fighting the US military and for supporting Al-Qaida. Yes some are there for the wrong place at the wrong time. Which is terrible, but it happens. Cryptique, don't confuse facts for your hatred of Bush, the bad guys are still the bad guys. Fighting the U.S. military outside the States is not a crime Actually, in this case America are the bad guys (perish the thought). America invaded a country, arrested those who fought back and imprisoned them in outside America to avoid harsher laws with virtually no evidence. They then released a few just because they were british and once released the prisoners weren't exactly complimentary Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Shit, Guantanamo is nothing. Another question: Ever see a Cuban rally for Castro in Miami? Me either, Doug said he has, but he has seen a lot of shit. If that was the case, then why are they leaving? I can understand you thinking that, for BB does influence Gov. But Gov has their hands deep in those pockets, and is impeding progress. Like I wrote before China is building cities in the time it has taken us to decide what is going to replace the Trade Towers. Middle East is booming... and we are arguing about saying God in school. I Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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