Fox News is AWESOME!

[Garp]

Impartiality is preferable, but I think a big part of the problem with the mainstream media today is that they are so concerned with looking balanced that they often present conflicting points of view as if they are equally valid, as if both sides are saying equally valid things, when in many instances one side is presenting distortions that the media is treating as simply another point of view. This is why we so often see pundits arguing completely different realities, only serving to confuse the public on the facts. Its possible to be impartial but still call someone out when they're full of shit -- sometimes the facts support one side more than the other and an impartial source will reflect that.

 

nice point

[uncle wilco]

Essential weapon of the left? Ummm who exactly has used the spector of hitler to riase the war cry in this country? Sadaam is Hitler on the rise the president of Iran is Hitler on the rise. Can't appease like chamberlin did etc... it goes on and on endlessly. OF course you won't agree with my position because you view the world differently, and that is a big part of my point.

i don't believe sadaam's body count matched 6 million, so that comparison really isn't valid. he's gone now anyway. the man was a complete amatuer and is probably being ridiculed in hell right now for being such an incompetent underacheiver. iran's leader is more talk than action at this point until he gets his bomb to erase the "stinking corpse" that is israel...his words, not mine. so he's more of a wannabe in a bad suit and constantly in need of a shave.

 

neville chamberlain just didn't have the right "we can do it" attitude that barack has. no, once barack takes office he's gonna go talk to our enemies to keep them from picking on us. i'm sure iran's leader is jonesing for some quality barack-time so he can be set straight and added to the obama christmas card list. i can't freakin' wait for other countries to start loving us again because barack is such a great guy.

 

i also can't wait for barack to begin "healing the broken souls of this nation" (michelle obama's words, not mine) he will bring this nation together. even those "typical white people" who "cling to guns and religion" will see the light. that's gonna be awesome.

 

people who's incomes are $250k or more will realize that they are making way too much money and will gladly fall in line too. obviously those rich bastards were a part of the generation that kept score in little league games and won real ribbons on field day in grade school. you know, the days before it was looked down on to actually achieve stuff. no the pre-PC generation just didn't know any better.

 

those $250k and up wage earners should be penalized even more since they aren't already contributing to our economy, employing people and contributing to charity, tithing to their churches...no, i'm sure they aren't doing any of that at all, but rather planning their second and third vacations, or buying another toyota prius. when will these capitalists learn? you can be sure barack will educate them and you can be sure that they are gonna thank him profusely for turning them in the right direction.

 

barack is such a smart guy, i mean...really, how does he know exactly what we need? the man has a gift and is so plugged in to each and every one of us. it makes me start to tear up...kind of like when i'm watching oprah...

 

i can't wait until november for all of my dreams to start coming true.

[Good Old Neon]

nice point

 

A nice and extremely important point.

 

For me, this point (in a nutshell) is at the crux of the same sex marriage debate. On one side we have folks seeking to be afforded the same right, privilege, whatever you want to call it, as every other citizen in the country

[owl]

i can't wait until november for all of my dreams to start coming true.

 

Jeez, don't go postal on us now.

[uncle wilco]

Jeez, don't go postal on us now.

i'm just having fun.

 

barack fever...catch it!

 

it's going to be interesting to see how much "change" occurs with a candidate who professes to have all the answers combined with a democrat controlled congress and senate, liberal leaning courts. the man is gonna have all the dominoes lined up. all he's gotta do is knock them over.

 

there's is absolutely nothing that will stop them from curing all the ills of the country.

 

i just can't wait for all the magic to happen.

[owl]

i'm just having fun.

barack fever...catch it!

 

That kind of sarcasm scares me a little, but I agree--our whole situation is scary. There's no way we can reasonably expect any third-rate modern president to do much of anything in office, but a Democrat might be just what the Republicans need. If the Dems are too inept to sink the Republican ship in 2008, 4 years of classic Democrat ineptitude might be just the thing to bring the Republicans back into office in 2012.

 

It seems like both parties are on the verge of implosion.

[bjorn_skurj]

I haven't heard anything to indicate that Congress will get less Democrat this time around - if the Dems can get a bigger majority there, McCain, should he win, will find it tough sledding. So may Obama - Democrats are psychologically much less able to fall into line then Republicans. Checks and balances - thank you, John Locke!

[owl]

Definitely. If the Democrats implode, they will split into a very fractious group.

[uncle wilco]

That kind of sarcasm scares me a little, but I agree--our whole situation is scary. There's no way we can reasonably expect any third-rate modern president to do much of anything in office, but a Democrat might be just what the Republicans need. If the Dems are too inept to sink the Republican ship in 2008, 4 years of classic Democrat ineptitude might be just the thing to bring the Republicans back in office in 2012.

 

republicans brought this all on themselves. they had it all and choked all over themselves. what goes around comes around. the dems are now up to bat and let's see what happens this time.

 

past history is not very encouraging.

 

but from what i keep hearing, barack can bat 1,000.

 

if it wasn't for sarcasm, i'd be really depressed right now.

[owl]

I have to admit that the Barack Fever is kind of weird, and the reality of his rhetoric seems a little shaky. But I am glad that there is a Presidential candidate who excites people. I never saw anyone truly excited about Gore or Kerry. I don't see anyone excited about McCain.

[uncle wilco]

I don't see anyone excited about McCain.

 

it's mclame...john mclame...my friend....(yawn)....

 

 

i need a nap.

[owl]

republicans brought this all on themselves. they had it all and choked all over themselves. what goes around comes around. the dems are now up to bat and let's see what happens this time.

 

past history is not very encouraging.

 

but from what i keep hearing, barack can bat 1,000.

 

if it wasn't for sarcasm, i'd be really depressed right now.

 

Hah. Maybe you just need to catch the fever. I agree about the republicans though. I like to remind people that this is where the republicans (like Cheney, Bush etc.) wanted us to go. They had all their ducks in a row. I think that perhaps Rove was a major contributor to their decline, though. They might've found more success if they'd done things more honestly. I've said it before. Religion should not be used as a way to divide and conquer. It's unsustainable. I haven't had coffee yet, which is why I can't speak in sentences.

[Good Old Neon]

it's mclame...john mclame...my friend....(yawn)....

 

 

i need a nap.

 

Though we probably disagree on about 90% of the possible political positions two folks could possibly disagree about, I genuinely like you, sincerely even.

[uncle wilco]

Though we probably disagree on about 90% of the possible political positions two folks could possibly disagree about, I genuinely like you, sincerely even.

 

i'd rather focus on the 10% we agree on and at least gain an understanding and respect of our differences on the other 90.

 

screaming, yelling and throwing stuff never solved anything. it just makes people look like idiots, whether they have a valid point or not. whatever your opinion, there is always going to be someone on the other end of it.

 

i appreciate your words and return the compliment. (i'll avoid the patronizing mccain "my friend" reference since i can't stand that about him either.) you're alright with me too.

[Party @ the Moontower]

i don't believe sadaam's body count matched 6 million, so that comparison really isn't valid. he's gone now anyway. the man was a complete amatuer and is probably being ridiculed in hell right now for being such an incompetent underacheiver. iran's leader is more talk than action at this point until he gets his bomb to erase the "stinking corpse" that is israel...his words, not mine. so he's more of a wannabe in a bad suit and constantly in need of a shave.

 

neville chamberlain just didn't have the right "we can do it" attitude that barack has. no, once barack takes office he's gonna go talk to our enemies to keep them from picking on us. i'm sure iran's leader is jonesing for some quality barack-time so he can be set straight and added to the obama christmas card list. i can't freakin' wait for other countries to start loving us again because barack is such a great guy.

 

i also can't wait for barack to begin "healing the broken souls of this nation" (michelle obama's words, not mine) he will bring this nation together. even those "typical white people" who "cling to guns and religion" will see the light. that's gonna be awesome.

 

people who's incomes are $250k or more will realize that they are making way too much money and will gladly fall in line too. obviously those rich bastards were a part of the generation that kept score in little league games and won real ribbons on field day in grade school. you know, the days before it was looked down on to actually achieve stuff. no the pre-PC generation just didn't know any better.

 

those $250k and up wage earners should be penalized even more since they aren't already contributing to our economy, employing people and contributing to charity, tithing to their churches...no, i'm sure they aren't doing any of that at all, but rather planning their second and third vacations, or buying another toyota prius. when will these capitalists learn? you can be sure barack will educate them and you can be sure that they are gonna thank him profusely for turning them in the right direction.

 

barack is such a smart guy, i mean...really, how does he know exactly what we need? the man has a gift and is so plugged in to each and every one of us. it makes me start to tear up...kind of like when i'm watching oprah...

 

i can't wait until november for all of my dreams to start coming true.

 

You are a sarcastic master. I can't wait until November for all my dreams to start coming true.

Only 4 months, 20 days..and 2 seconds.

 

Last election I conceived a child to the date just about.I was trying to drown my election sorrows. Had better stick to tea this time around.

[John Smith]

i don't believe sadaam's body count matched 6 million, so that comparison really isn't valid. he's gone now anyway. the man was a complete amatuer and is probably being ridiculed in hell right now for being such an incompetent underacheiver. iran's leader is more talk than action at this point until he gets his bomb to erase the "stinking corpse" that is israel...his words, not mine. so he's more of a wannabe in a bad suit and constantly in need of a shave.

 

Nice job of avoiding the substance of what I was pointing out, and that is that the specter of Hitler has been a cudgil raised by the right for eight eyars now. From Sadaam = hitler to "Islamo Fascisim" and the odd reference to global warming supporters = Nazi's or some other tie in. And of course the right wants the masses to have no clue about the real powers in iran. They want the people to believe that the president f Iran really does have the power to wage war when in fact he barely has the poer to rder room service without consulting the mullahs in charge.

[jenbobblehead]

I do not believe there is any such thing as change, as the candidates would have you believe. I just don't think it is possible.

[ikol]

Global warming has supporters?

[owl]

It's like you're either pro-life or a baby killer, I guess.

[fineartoflife]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

the question is which fox news is worse?

[bjorn_skurj]

Global warming has supporters?

I have heard support for it, mostly from the I Hate Shoveling Snow Coalition.

[Party @ the Moontower]

The USA & China, the two largest producers of greenhouse gases, have been ignoring this issue and dragging their feet. Who supports global warming? A lot of republicans because it keeps money in their pockets. What has the Bush Administration done about it? Deny it. Make it worse.Kyoto Protocol anyone?Anyone..anyone?

 

Exxon Mobil for example,is spreading lies that global warming is not real, and is working hard to spread such propaganda to make $$$. Americans and our government should be ashamed for being so late...and lazy on this issue.

 

Scientist that have proven global warming is serious stuff have seen their lives turned upside down.Lost jobs, credibility...etc. The Bush Administration has paid off scientist to deny global warming is real and serious.Just google promoting global warming skepticism.It's big money.A lot of the so called scientist that deny it are sipping sweet tea with friends from fossil fuel companies.

 

And, you know what really pisses me off?We live in a university town that also has a military base, but guess what? NOBODY friggin recyles.We have to drive 40 some miles to Kansas City to recycle our glass.I work at a spa that can't recycle a single thing..cause there just ain't room for that kinda thing.I sneak stuff home to recycle it sometimes.Actually, it just sits in my car forever.

[uncle wilco]

Nice job of avoiding the substance of what I was pointing out, and that is that the specter of Hitler has been a cudgil raised by the right for eight eyars now. From Sadaam = hitler to "Islamo Fascisim" and the odd reference to global warming supporters = Nazi's or some other tie in. And of course the right wants the masses to have no clue about the real powers in iran. They want the people to believe that the president f Iran really does have the power to wage war when in fact he barely has the poer to rder room service without consulting the mullahs in charge.

ok john...whatever you say.

 

i guess my affinity for the right side of things completely blinds me to the continued hitler/nazi comparisions hurled at the left? certainly, the left is much more effective at flinging those insults at the right (and our own country) since they have the majority of the electronic and print media and whole entertainment industry at their disposal. their options for delivery of their message are numerous and are much more infuential to the average american who doesn't bother to look shit up for themselves. all the right has is a bumbling president and cabinet that they don't even like, along with fox news who parrots these lazy comparisons. as i said earlier, we could do without this crap on both sides of the issues, i'm sick of those labels.

 

"hello...room service"

 

actually mahmoud ahmadinejad has much more power than merely ordering room service according to wiki. if the supreme leader (Ali Khamenei) didn't agree with the president of iran, he wouldn't be allowed to spew his hatred and violent threats. there is certainly no love lost between iran and the u.s. and israel. the supreme leader is noted as saying that nuclear weapons are against islam and yet they are in the process of making these weapons. i guess we should just take them at their word, right? i mean why wouldn't we trust them? dont' worry, barack's going to take care of us...never mind that mushroom cloud.

 

nice comeback though. it would sound pretty convincing to someone who doesn't bother to look shit up.

[John Smith]

ok john...whatever you say.

 

i guess my affinity for the right side of things completely blinds me to the continued hitler/nazi comparisions hurled at the left? certainly, the left is much more effective at flinging those insults at the right (and our own country) since they have the majority of the electronic and print media and whole entertainment industry at their disposal. their options for delivery of their message are numerous and are much more infuential to the average american who doesn't bother to look shit up for themselves. all the right has is a bumbling president and cabinet that they don't even care for themselves, along with fox news who parrots these lazy comparisons. as i said earlier, we could do without this crap on both sides of the issues, i'm sick of those labels.

 

"hello...room service"

 

actually mahmoud ahmadinejad has much more power than merely ordering room service according to wiki. if the supreme leader (Ali Khamenei) didn't agree with the president of iran, he wouldn't be allowed to spew his hatred and violent threats. there is certainly no love lost between iran and the u.s. and israel. the supreme leader is noted as saying that nuclear weapons are against islam and yet they are in the process of making these weapons. i guess we should just take them at their word, right? i mean why wouldn't we trust them? dont' worry, barack's going to take care of us...never mind that mushroom cloud.

 

nice comeback though. it would sound pretty convincing to someone who doesn't bother to look shit up. (JS - nice insult here by the way, it reminds me of the guy who tried to give me crap when I said that the govenor of Texas has almost no power when compared to a state like Illinois. The dud had no clue as to how TX government works...I stand by my original statement.)

 

I guess to quote you , ok yea, whatever you say.

 

Wiki? I thought you knew not to trust it? Of course simply agreeing with what an individual has to say and that individual having any power to act on it are two entirely different things. Once again the president of Iran has no power to order their military to do anything, nothing nadda zip. Beyond that what happens between Iran and Israel really has little or no strategic value to the US other than to once again shorten the list of oil suppliers. I just don't get the radical rights obsession with Israel.

 

I also 100% disagree with your assessment of the press, just because majority of the press does not spew the right stalking points it does not make them into those feared and hated liberals. The majority of the press in this country is middle to right leaning whether you believe it or not. We've heard the right wing press (fake news, the felons Limbaugh, Liddy, North etc...) harping for years about the dreaded liberal press. But the reality of it is that they abhor the press in any form. They want the secrecy and lack of exposure because it costs them continually. Watergate? Crimes? Hell no blame it in the liberal press. Iran Contra? Nor crimes there, blame it on the liberal press. CIA plots to over throw governments? Nothing to see here move along and ignore the liberal press. Collusion to expose US CIA assets for political purposes? No issues, it's just that liberal press making sh*t up. It goes on and on, and the blame really falls on the liberal press, which does not exist. Simply reporting something you don't want the public to see or hear does not make the reports liberally biased. But there is no way in he!! to convince the die hard 27% crew of that. So they retreat into their notion of balance and hide behind faux news assuming that there is truth to be had in a radical right wing propaganda machine.

 

At some point in this whole thread some one, I'll assume it was UW, made a comment about balance and how the truth lies somewhere between. I'll assume it was meant that the truth lies somewhere between what faux reports and what the real press reports and I wonder how often those looking for balance actually take into account what they hear from faux and what they hear from the real media and actually balance it out between the two? I would bet never because if they did then what they would be coming up with from this administration would be, in my opinion, very frightening. And of course you once again completely miss that I was not comparing the right to Nazi's or Hitler and that I was using their regime and the holocaust as example to debunk the notion that there has to be balance in reporting, that thhe truth always lays between two extremes. It is the ultimate example that busts that theory to pieces. And of course you choose to ignore the point and go on a defensive rant that has no bearing to the discussion at hand. ignoring also that the right has used the specter of Nazi's to establish policy. Heck even your little throw away bullsh*t phrase about mushroom clouds points right back to the rights notions of spreading fear as a political tool and would eventually dovetail back into little georgies arguments about whomever our latest enemy is, being the equivalent of a modern day Hitler.

 

BTW they are in the process of making these weapons? You have first hand knowledge that our intelligence agencies don't have? I think you you need to give them a call and let them know. Our administration believes they are making them, our intelligence agencies do not. at this point I'll wait till grown ups are running the country again and see what they have to say. After all our administration and the radical right convinced the American people that Sadaam had nukes, that he had the worst kind of chemical weapons and he had given them to Al Qaeda and that our wake up call was going to be in the form of a mushroom cloud. How did those rock solid claims work out? I'm sure and I believe I saw polling on this, that faux viewers believe that we found those weapons and saved the world. Sorry but I don't trust fox and I definitely do not trust bush or anyone in his administration to ever tell the truth.

 

Regardless I'll never convince you that fox and the administration are in full time all the time propaganda mode, and you'll never convince me of the goodness of the republican party withthe current methods you are using. So I'm done with this topic. Have a nice time insulting me and responding to none of the points I raise or completely mis-interpreting them or simply dismissing them as being comically incoherent.

[uncle wilco]

I guess to quote you , ok yea, whatever you say.

 

Wiki? I thought you knew not to trust it? Of course simply agreeing with what an individual has to say and that individual having any power to act on it are two entirely different things. Once again the president of Iran has no power to order their military to do anything, nothing nadda zip. Beyond that what happens between Iran and Israel really has little or no strategic value to the US other than to once again shorten the list of oil suppliers. I just don't get the radical rights obsession with Israel.

 

I also 100% disagree with your assessment of the press, just because majority of the press does not spew the right stalking points it does not make them into those feared and hated liberals. The majority of the press in this country is middle to right leaning whether you believe it or not. We've heard the right wing press (fake news, the felons Limbaugh, Liddy, North etc...) harping for years about the dreaded liberal press. But the reality of it is that they abhor the press in any form. They want the secrecy and lack of exposure because it costs them continually. Watergate? Crimes? Hell no blame it in the liberal press. Iran Contra? Nor crimes there, blame it on the liberal press. CIA plots to over throw governments? Nothing to see here move along and ignore the liberal press. Collusion to expose US CIA assets for political purposes? No issues, it's just that liberal press making sh*t up. It goes on and on, and the blame really falls on the liberal press, which does not exist. Simply reporting something you don't want the public to see or hear does not make the reports liberally biased. But there is no way in he!! to convince the die hard 27% crew of that. So they retreat into their notion of balance and hide behind faux news assuming that there is truth to be had in a radical right wing propaganda machine.

 

At some point in this whole thread some one, I'll assume it was UW, made a comment about balance and how the truth lies somewhere between. I'll assume it was meant that the truth lies somewhere between what faux reports and what the real press reports and I wonder how often those looking for balance actually take into account what they hear from faux and what they hear from the real media and actually balance it out between the two? I would bet never because if they did then what they would be coming up with from this administration would be, in my opinion, very frightening. And of course you once again completely miss that I was not comparing the right to Nazi's or Hitler and that I was using their regime and the holocaust as example to debunk the notion that there has to be balance in reporting, that thhe truth always lays between two extremes. It is the ultimate example that busts that theory to pieces. And of course you choose to ignore the point and go on a defensive rant that has no bearing to the discussion at hand. ignoring also that the right has used the specter of Nazi's to establish policy. Heck even your little throw away bullsh*t phrase about mushroom clouds points right back to the rights notions of spreading fear as a political tool and would eventually dovetail back into little georgies arguments about whomever our latest enemy is, being the equivalent of a modern day Hitler.

 

BTW they are in the process of making these weapons? You have first hand knowledge that our intelligence agencies don't have? I think you you need to give them a call and let them know. Our administration believes they are making them, our intelligence agencies do not. at this point I'll wait till grown ups are running the country again and see what they have to say. After all our administration and the radical right convinced the American people that Sadaam had nukes, that he had the worst kind of chemical weapons and he had given them to Al Qaeda and that our wake up call was going to be in the form of a mushroom cloud. How did those rock solid claims work out? I'm sure and I believe I saw polling on this, that faux viewers believe that we found those weapons and saved the world. Sorry but I don't trust fox and I definitely do not trust bush or anyone in his administration to ever tell the truth.

 

Regardless I'll never convince you that fox and the administration are in full time all the time propaganda mode, and you'll never convince me of the goodness of the republican party withthe current methods you are using. So I'm done with this topic. Have a nice time insulting me and responding to none of the points I raise or completely mis-interpreting them or simply dismissing them as being comically incoherent.

 

john, some things never change around here. i don't know why i even bother responding to you. sounds like you've got everything figured out. no need for me to add anything.

 

it's funny how the first thing i knew you would mention was my use of wiki as a reference. feel free to correct the info on the wiki entry. i didn't read anything on it about ahmadinejad's need for mullah approval to order room service. where exactly was that referenced? you have a great command of liberal talking points according to your post. yay for you!

 

whatever...

 

good day sir.