MrRain422 Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I had to take the dog for a walk. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I had to take the dog for a walk. While you were sitting around walking your dog, George Bush drank the blood of another Iraqi baby. How do you look at yourself in the mirror? Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 So have we yet established that nothing is anything? Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 While you were sitting around walking your dog, George Bush drank the blood of another Iraqi baby. How do you look at yourself in the mirror? I think the things that he actually has done are horrifying enough without having to resort to hyperboly. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I think the things that he actually has done are horrifying enough without having to resort to hyperboly. I actually think that qualifies as hyperbole. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Nah. And I don't think you think so either, you just wanted to correct my spelling error. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cousin Tupelo Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I am hesitant to use the word atrocity for most things.You spelled it right. Was that your reason for hesitancy? Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 My comment stands for those who continue to support the current administration and refuse to acknowledge the crimes that have been committed, who perpetrate the same sort of dealings that this administration has been caught doing, and those who try to minimize the impact and instead attack anyone who has and does oppose these acts. so, you don't like people attacking you for opposing president, but it's okay to attack those who don't? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cousin Tupelo Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 so, you don't like people attacking you for opposing president, but it's okay to attack those who don't?I'll defend myself for opposing the president -- as I have for 9 years. I will oppose those who I feel endanger our country or others without reasonable regard. I honestly don't believe anyone can continue to condone what has happened under the Bush administration overall, but particularly in this case with regards to the creation of cause and failed execution of the war in Iraq. You can argue against me, and I will listen and debate. I think through debate I will understand an opponent's reasoning and, in the process, they will step from a posture they don't fully believe in and we will reach some common ground. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cousin Tupelo Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 so, you don't like people attacking you for opposing president, but it's okay to attack those who don't?This could certainly be implied as baiting, but given the previous debate, I know that wouldn't be the case. I do not think this correctly characterizes what I said, but I appreciate your interpretation. Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 This could certainly be implied as baiting, but given the previous debate, I know that wouldn't be the case. I do not think this correctly characterizes what I said, but I appreciate your interpretation. that is not baiting at all nor a mischarachterization, that is me trying to understand the way you are engaging w/ those who may have opposing viewpoints. you've stated yourself that anybody who make any statement on here should be open to explaining what they've stated. i oppose the president too, i'm not debating you on that. i'm debating, and please correct me if i'm wrong, the level of accountability you seem to be ascribing to anybody who voted for him and how it effects how you interact w/ them. is it possible that someone who voted for bush, did so for other reasoing outside of his stance on the war? that they made their own prioritization based on something different? or, even if they did vote for him based on their own personal stacne on the war, that that doesn't neccesarily mean they are deserving the same level of attack you've vowed to make against the current adminstration? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cousin Tupelo Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 that is not baiting at all nor a mischarachterization, that is me trying to understand the way you are engaging w/ those who may have opposing viewpoints. you've stated yourself that anybody who make any statement on here should be open to explaining what they've stated. i oppose the president too, i'm not debating you on that. i'm debating, and please correct me if i'm wrong, the level of accountability you seem to be ascribing to anybody who voted for him and how it effects how you interact w/ them.I will correct you; you are wrong. You are misconstruing my point. My point then, and now, I would like to understand how someone who voted for Bush looks at how to move forward. If you see no problem with Bush's adminstration WRT Iraq, and those aspects specificially related, and you don't acknowledge there is a problem that needs to be addressed, then I am increduous. But I'm still willing to listen and to attempt to understand. If you refuse to engage, then what's the point? What part of that isn't clear? is it possible that someone who voted for bush, did so for other reasoing outside of his stance on the war? that they made their own prioritization based on something different? or, even if they did vote for him based on their own personal stacne on the war, that that doesn't neccesarily mean they are deserving the same level of attack you've vowed to make against the current adminstration?It is a mischaracterization, and it has little to do with the thread of my arguments. Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 What then, do you feel are the main issues of this campaign, if not Iraq? i know you didn't aske me, but the economy. while intertwined to a certain extent, iraq is not the only, if even main, issue in that multi-faceted issue. i'm prioritizing a stable econmony where i can maintain a job to have an income to provide for my family at the best level possible. that said, the us position in iraq and beyond is a high-ranking concern as well...but not a concern over how it was handled, but how it's going to be handled. speaking tactically, if we are looking at iraq as the issue to hang our hat on to deny another republican administration, we'll be on the receiving end of a mccain presidency. good, bad or ugly...the war is not this election's main issue of contention. It is a mischaracterization, and it has little to do with the thread of my arguments. My comment stands for those who continue to support the current administration and refuse to acknowledge the crimes that have been committed, who perpetrate the same sort of dealings that this administration has been caught doing, and those who try to minimize the impact and instead attack anyone who has and does oppose these acts. my problem lies in that i guess i still don't see you stating someone could make said distinction. acknowledge that he fucked up, but still hits buttons important enough to you where the alternative isn't an option. maybe i am misinterpreting...you don't have any issues w/ someone voting for bush, just issue w/ them not condemning his decision to go into iraq? i'm not baiting, help me understand. Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Iraq is an atrocity. To blow the crap out of that country and to kill all the people we killed with either no plan or an extremely stupid plan to reconstruct it is an atrocity. To be that incompetent may not be evil, but it is atrocious. It is no thing for a nation as dedicated to righteousness as we like to think we are to be doing. It is only my ironclad support for freedom of speech which restrains me from calling for the banishment - preferably to downtown Fallujah - of Perle, Wolfowitz and the other neocons who exploited the events of Sept. 11, 2001, to beat the drums for their ill-considered war. And the Iraqis are not the only victims - there are the thousands of lives of American soldiers and their families this war has destroyed or damaged and the lives of those in New Orleans and the American midwest which have suffered because too much of our National Guard capability is otherwise occupied overseas. I am ashamed of us as a nation that we so soon forgot what we learned, at a tremendous price, from the Vietnam war. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cousin Tupelo Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 i know you didn't aske me, but the economy. while intertwined to a certain extent, iraq is not the only, if even main, issue in that multi-faceted issue. i'm prioritizing a stable econmony where i can maintain a job to have an income to provide for my family at the best level possible. that said, the us position in iraq and beyond is a high-ranking concern as well...but not a concern over how it was handled, but how it's going to be handled. speaking tactically, if we are looking at iraq as the issue to hang our hat on to deny another republican administration, we'll be on the receiving end of a mccain presidency. good, bad or ugly...the war is not this election's main issue of contention. I would agree with you here, although I would also rank enviornment and helping the lower and middle classes up there, but that's just me. The budget problem from the Iraq war plays enough on the economy that they're entertwined. my problem lies in that i guess i still don't see you stating someone could make said distinction. acknowledge that he fucked up, but still hits buttons important enough to you where the alternative isn't an option. maybe i am misinterpreting...you don't have any issues w/ someone voting for bush, just issue w/ them not condemning his decision to go into iraq? i'm not baiting, help me understand.My point is, there is a problem WRT Iraq and we need a bipartisan approach moving forward. If you refuse to acknowledge that problem and aren't willing to at least temper a complete partisan (regardless of party) stance towards moving forward, you're part of the problem, not the solution. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Iraq is an atrocity. To blow the crap out of that country and to kill all the people we killed with either no plan or an extremely stupid plan to reconstruct it is an atrocity. To be that incompetent may not be evil, but it is atrocious. It is no thing for a nation as dedicated to righteousness as we like to think we are to be doing. It is only my ironclad support for freedom of speech which restrains me from calling for the banishment - preferably to downtown Fallujah - of Perle, Wolfowitz and the other neocons who exploited the events of Sept. 11, 2001, to beat the drums for their ill-considered war. And the Iraqis are not the only victims - there are the thousands of lives of American soldiers and their families this war has destroyed or damaged and the lives of those in New Orleans and the American midwest which have suffered because too much of our National Guard capability is otherwise occupied overseas. I am ashamed of us as a nation that we so soon forgot what we learned, at a tremendous price, from the Vietnam war. Actually, this is a much better way to state it than "Bush should go to prison for atrocities" and then walk away. I can get down with this kind of post. Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 there is a problem WRT Iraq and we need a bipartisan approach moving forward. If you refuse to acknowledge that problem and aren't willing to at least temper a complete partisan (regardless of party) stance towards moving forward, you're part of the problem, not the solution. i completely agree. didn't get that at all from some of your earlier posts, but if it's just that, than cool. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Anyone want to know what I saw in the mirror this morning? Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 i completely agree. didn't get that at all from some of your earlier posts, but if it's just that, than cool. actually, i went back to the first few pages of this thread and i'll resubmit that there was some pompous, self-rightous stereotyping and even baiting that occured right from the get-go and then some major league passive-agressive attempt at the jedi mindtrick when called on the carpet for it. mature, non-partisan dialogue about the original subject ceased pages before my first post. so, again, this thread is really something. Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Anyone want to know what I saw in the mirror this morning? A shaved pussy or 4,102 + dead American soldiers. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 A shaved pussy or 4,102 + dead American soldiers.close. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cousin Tupelo Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 actually, i went back to the first few pages of this thread and i'll resubmit that there was some pompous, self-rightous stereotyping and even baiting that occured right from the get-go and then some major league passive-agressive attempt at the jedi mindtrick when called on the carpet for it. mature, non-partisan dialogue about the original subject ceased pages before my first post. so, again, this thread is really something.Actually, I went back to the first few pages of this thread and there was discussion about Bush, and it was shifting to complaints about the plight of the election and whether either side would make any difference. There was several things discussed. The first comment approaching baiting was Jules calling me a "fucking twat." And then the belaboring my incredulous comment. Jedi mindtrick? Baiting. Any research on this board can find repeated examples of you riding in and making attacking and baiting comments on any and all subjects. Carry on with your childishness. I'm done with this thread. Link to post Share on other sites
gogo Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 And this thread is done with all of you. Take it somewhere else. Link to post Share on other sites
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