myboyblue Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 whatdisay pretty much sums up my opinion on the issue but with more eloquence Neon - I give you credit for tenacity but don't you ever get sick of pointlessly arguing your own point? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kwall Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Who among us has the right to declare an absolute and attack those who disagree? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 If that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kwall Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 this country/planet is in need of a little less religious tolerance, not moreyou're on a roll tonight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markosis Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 this country/planet is in need of a little less religious tolerance I respect what you have to say the majority of the time, as you have studied your points and you back up what you say with well thought out arguments. But I have to call you on this. You said yourself earlier that religiosos are the ones flying planes into buildings and forcing their beliefs on others through government legislation, and that is a bad thing, I agree. But that is also the product of religious intolerance. So if those things are bad, and we can all agree they are, how can intolerance be the answer? Saying something like that makes you no better than those you so fervently speak out against. I'm sure the Bushes/Bin Ladens/Pat Robertsons of the world would also say that we need less religious tolerance. I know you were defending yourself, that's cool. But I know you don't really mean that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 You Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Outside of the USA #1 crowd, he made a fair point. I get your point, but trying to justify his comments is almost worse than the comments themselves. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 I get your point, but trying to justify his comments is almost worse than the comments themselves. I don Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 I don Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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EL the Famous Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 I would be quite content to go to their children's bar mitzvahs, to marvel at their Gothic cathedrals, to "respect" their belief that the Koran was dictated, though exclusively in Arabic, to an illiterate merchant, or to interest myself in Wicca and Hindu and Jain consolations. And as it happens, I will continue to do this without insisting on the polite reciprocal condition Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 hasn't he (and you for that matter) made a career at lambasting religion? pretty funny he snaps on them for not 'leaving him alone'...additionally funny you'd reference that quote, being that your the white knight of all things smarter than everybody else...sent to brandish the firery sword of 'truth' about how religion is stupid and does a larger (but unquantifiable) % of bad than good every opportunity you get. you and hitchens are a gas, man. You do realize there is a canyon wide distinction between lambasting a belief system and using a belief system to control or take the lives of millions of people - no? Outside of writing books and engaging in debates, how, exactly, has Christopher Hitchens (or any atheist for that matter) imposed upon your life and your ability to live it? If you so choose, you can ignore him (and/or yours truly), can the same be said of those who fly jetliners into towers or attempt to drastically curtail the rights of others who do not share their religious belief system? Has Hitchens or any other prominent atheist ever expressed anything resembling a desire to acquire nuclear weapons and detonate them as a cure for the disease of godlessness, or, as a corollary, the cure for belief? I Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Have I ever once, claimed that Hitchens is a Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kwall Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Your continued attempt to equate outspoken criticism with religious fundamentalism is a futile attempt at a false relativism.i like to read these posts in a charles emerson winchester voice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 i wasn't talking about hitchens, lancelot. Better still, find me one instance where I Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kwall Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 you must be the all-time record holder for refusals to apologize. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 you must be the all-time record holder for refusals to apologize. Well, yeah, but I don Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kwall Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 i refuse to apologize for agreeing with people. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 it is entirely appropriate in a thread such as this, and I will not apologize for bringing it up elsewhere where appropriate. this thread, sure...it's your definition of 'elsewhere where appropriate' that makes you come off like a dude w/ an agenda...who likes to post a lot of quotes, which (BTW) doesn't neccesarily make you 'well-read'. I do things like get in a taxi and say, "The library, and step on it." vintage. whatever, my man...i'll stop before someone gets on me for being too personal. don't stop, non-believen...hold onto that feelin'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 See, the sad thing about a guy like you is in 50 years you're gonna staht doin some thinkin on your own and you're gonna come up with the fact that there are two certaintees in life. One, don't do that. And Two, you dropped a hundred and fifty grand on a fuckin education you coulda got for a dollah fifty in late chahges at the public library Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Ha, the irony, I didn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Ha, the irony, I didn't go to college, and with the exception of courses required to obtain EMT cert, my education cost little more than five dollars and change in library late fees. And I do plenty of my own thinking, thanks. A more fitting bit of dialog from Good Will Hunting might be: Sean: Do you have a soul mate? Will: Define that. Sean: Someone you can relate to, someone who opens things up for you. Will: Sure, I got plenty. Sean: Well, name them. Will: Shakespeare, Nietzsche, Frost, O'Conner... Sean: Well that's great. They're all dead. Will: Not to me, they're not. Sean: You can't have a lot of dialogue with them. Will: Not without a heater and some serious smelling salts. It's unfair to brag about not having student loan debt & possibly Unamerican not to have any. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 How 'bout them apples. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 It's unfair to brag about not having student loan debt & possibly Unamerican not to have any.I went to a SUNY. I paid off my debt before Kurt Cobain was dead. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 i finally got a library card yesterday! haven't had one since i was a kid. my wife informed me they have a huge section of graphic novels, so i went and loaded up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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