Now I remember why I was an independent all those years.

[Panther]

Weren't you the guy posting Alex Jones talking points? A couple months ago you were convinced of the camps. That's right they don't want to imprison you. But thanks to you going off about camps no one takes the credible information seriously. Don't tell me about FEMA camps you idiot I'm the one who told they don't exist and have since you posted that shit on this board. I don't care what you find of intelligence most of your posts are severely lacking in that department.

 

 

ive posted all kinds of crazy stuff on this site chill out Im not responsible for disinformation , I enjoy seeing what people have to say about such things wheather its coming from the mouth of a charlatan like Alex Jones or whomeever. I understand yuour fustration and I can clearly tell that you truly belive in what your saying , cool.

To be specciffic I have on many ocassion said that I think people like Alex Jones are frauds when posting articles from infowars.com I dont expect you to know that so its cool that you think Im an idiot . You could try actually reading what I said in response to you and see that I was being sincecre I was trying to pick your brain. Plus I nebver once said anything about fema camps, most of what I talked about surrounded the singular phenomenon of the phrase "new world order" and not realy the details of what that means as i do not know , i think its fun to talk about this stuff, even though their is a dark seriousness to it. I can see that your post was not only an attack on me but more accuretly the semi-asleep generation of conspiracy dwellers who do nothimg to help anything and play into propaganda.

 

 

P.S there is no such thing as the enw world order

[Panther]

But there is a difference - Bush was responsible for some real evil shit while he was president, torture, fabricating a war, at least partly responsible for the economic collapse etc etc etc. If the US didn't play by its own rules, there is a very real possibility that Bush and his cabinet could be prosecuted for war crimes - and should be. Of course, the same right that was actually supporting and or justifying Bush's actions, is now attacking Obama for what? Aside from fabricated stories and outright lies, what, exactly, has Obama done to earn the title of Hitler?

 

I'm all ears.

 

 

I'll explain it though i do not speak with authoprity Im simply a child of God . Obama has inherited "the crown" of the evil empire , America is an inherently evil empire therefore every president is inherently evil as bad or worse than Hitler and I do not say that simply to rattle people the Nazis were brutal but their ideoligy and propaganda looking back now was obvious, luckly the world only had to edure 4 years of their rein yup thats right they lost!! and america won , the world has had to endure half a century of the new world empire.

 

As for why all of a sudden the right wing , once the empires blind cheerleaders have turned mainly its about Race and Socialism to fabricated fears, although fear of socialism has some stable grounds. They were fooled by their repulican leaders during the bush administration but who else can they turn to in the fight against socialism, the trap of the two part system in the modern american empire.

 

a simple answer would have to be stupidity and ignorance.

 

Welcome to Babalyon

[Panther]

Aren't most of you Noam Chomsky reading progressive?

iF you are Im sure you're aware that he has compared american presidents and their administrations including BuSH

to the german nazi's as far as their policies propaganda fearmongering and and agressive militaries.

 

Obama so far hasn't introduced anything new to freakout about besides the additional bailouts but what has he CHANGED

theres that word again should haunt his enitre administration in the minds of any one who is semi-conscience.

 

Their is a part of me who beilves that The President (which is how i like to refer to him) is a good man who understands the corprate power and private intrests that control the empire and is trying to reverse that but this part of me has no tangible reason to beilive this other than HOPE .

 

One adtribute taht i would argue The President shares with Hitler or Stalin or Mussulini is that although its early he seems to have the ability to tap into the morals of his people all of a ssudden the wars seem like important missions in democracy , something Bush tried but was not able to achive , he did achive it with a small fringe minority and guesse what now that fringe is running wild.

 

 

welcome to Babalyon

[Panther]

Aren't most of you Noam Chomsky reading progressive?

iF you are Im sure you're aware that he has compared american presidents and their administrations including BuSH

to the german nazi's as far as their policies propaganda fearmongering and and agressive militaries.

 

Obama so far hasn't introduced anything new to freakout about besides the additional bailouts but what has he CHANGED

theres that word again should haunt his enitre administration in the minds of any one who is semi-conscience.

 

Their is a part of me who beilves that The President (which is how i like to refer to him) is a good man who understands the corprate power and private intrests that control the empire and is trying to reverse that but this part of me has no tangible reason to beilive this other than HOPE .

 

One adtribute taht i would argue The President shares with Hitler or Stalin or Mussulini is that although its early he seems to have the ability to tap into the morals of his people all of a ssudden the wars seem like important missions in democracy , something Bush tried but was not able to achive , he did achive it with a small fringe minority and guesse what now that fringe is running wild.

 

 

welcome to Babalyon

 

 

at the same time he's only the president

[kidsmoke]

Panther, dear, while you are perfectly entitled to your opinions, 4 posts in a row of relentless diatribes is a bit much, even for our permissive and tolerant board. Much of your commentary violates our clearly-stated rule against deliberately baiting other members. Your statements are your own opinions, not sacred fact, and much of it is offensive. You need to rein it in some or you will be unwelcome here.

 

From the Via Chicago Rules and Regulations (prohibited behaviors):

 

� Baiting. Do not try to get a rise out of another member with your comments.

 

Enough already.

[M. (hristine]

You can actually discern baiting in those posts? No wonder you're an admin.

[kidsmoke]

Yes well, I am exceptionally wise. Now stop girl, you're making me blush, and red isn't my best color. I'm a "Spring".

[Good Old Neon]

Panther, dear, while you are perfectly entitled to your opinions, 4 posts in a row of relentless diatribes is a bit much, even for our permissive and tolerant board. Much of your commentary violates our clearly-stated rule against deliberately baiting other members. Your statements are your own opinions, not sacred fact, and much of it is offensive. You need to rein it in some or you will be unwelcome here.

 

From the Via Chicago Rules and Regulations (prohibited behaviors):

 

� Baiting. Do not try to get a rise out of another member with your comments.

 

Enough already.

 

Maybe we could just start a separate forum entirely devoted to Panther’s nonsensical reviews and political diatribes, maybe call it TEH PANTHRES DENN?

[Good Old Neon]

Aren't most of you Noam Chomsky reading progressive?

iF you are Im sure you're aware that he has compared american presidents and their administrations including BuSH

to the german nazi's as far as their policies propaganda fearmongering and and agressive militaries.

 

Obama so far hasn't introduced anything new to freakout about besides the additional bailouts but what has he CHANGED

theres that word again should haunt his enitre administration in the minds of any one who is semi-conscience.

 

Their is a part of me who beilves that The President (which is how i like to refer to him) is a good man who understands the corprate power and private intrests that control the empire and is trying to reverse that but this part of me has no tangible reason to beilive this other than HOPE .

 

One adtribute taht i would argue The President shares with Hitler or Stalin or Mussulini is that although its early he seems to have the ability to tap into the morals of his people all of a ssudden the wars seem like important missions in democracy , something Bush tried but was not able to achive , he did achive it with a small fringe minority and guesse what now that fringe is running wild.

 

 

welcome to Babalyon

 

I ran this through a free online translation service, and this is what I got - not too surprisingly, the original's "unique" use of grammar and syntax was retained:

 

Be not the most of you Noam Chomsky reading progressive? IF you are sure Im you are conscious that it compared American presidents and their administrations including Bush to the German Nazi are also far as their publicity of political fearmongering and and the armies of aggressive one.

 

Obama far did not introduce so does not import what new to the bad trip of besides the additional salvages but what has it HAS CHANGES theres that this word should haunt again his administration of enitre in the spirits of any the one that is the half

conscience.

 

Their is a part of me that beilves that The President (that is how I like itself to refer for him) is a good man that understands the strength of corprate and private intrests that check the empire and tries to reverse that but this party of me has not any tangible reason to beilive this otherwise that the HOPE.

 

An adtribute taht I would dispute The the President actions with Hitler or Staline or Mussulini is that although his first one it seems to have the capacity to type in the morals of its people all a ssudden the wars seem as the important missions in the democracy, something Bush tried but was not capable to achive, it did achive it with a small minorities of fringes and guesse Which now that fringes It runs wild.

 

welcome to Babalyon

[Panther]

I ran this through a free online translation service, and this is what I got - not too surprisingly, the original's "unique" use of grammar and syntax was retained:

 

Be not the most of you Noam Chomsky reading progressive? IF you are sure Im you are conscious that it compared American presidents and their administrations including Bush to the German Nazi are also far as their publicity of political fearmongering and and the armies of aggressive one.

 

Obama far did not introduce so does not import what new to the bad trip of besides the additional salvages but what has it HAS CHANGES theres that this word should haunt again his administration of enitre in the spirits of any the one that is the half

conscience.

 

Their is a part of me that beilves that The President (that is how I like itself to refer for him) is a good man that understands the strength of corprate and private intrests that check the empire and tries to reverse that but this party of me has not any tangible reason to beilive this otherwise that the HOPE.

 

An adtribute taht I would dispute The the President actions with Hitler or Staline or Mussulini is that although his first one it seems to have the capacity to type in the morals of its people all a ssudden the wars seem as the important missions in the democracy, something Bush tried but was not capable to achive, it did achive it with a small minorities of fringes and guesse Which now that fringes It runs wild.

 

welcome to Babalyon

 

 

 

Yes , but what do you think of what I said ? Has Naom Chomsky not compared previous administrations to the german nazis?

 

 

To add I can see how the length and number of my posts could be offensive in that sense I will rein it in.

To add I am not baiting maliciously I am simply trying to pick the brains of the people I find intresting and smart.

Good Old Neon should be flattered , Im sure there is no way I could offend him with anything I said.

 

Sincerly ANTHERP

[lamradio]

My new company doesn't offer health insurance for the first two months of employment. Since I have a wife and three kids, I have to go with a ghetto ass private healthcare company in the interim. Yesterday I spent $300+ on medication to treat my son's ear infection, and my other son's skin rash. Even when the insurance activates, it's going to be about $800 a month to cover my family and I.. That's almost as much as my mortgage payment..

 

I'm no fan of Obama, but if he can do something about healthcare then he'll be a hero in my book..

 

That's my vent for the day.

[watch me fall]

My new company doesn't offer health insurance for the first two months of employment. Since I have a wife and three kids, I have to go with a ghetto ass private healthcare company in the interim. Yesterday I spent $300+ on medication to treat my son's ear infection, and my other son's skin rash. Even when the insurance activates, it's going to be about $800 a month to cover my family and I.. That's almost as much as my mortgage payment..

 

I'm no fan of Obama, but if he can do something about healthcare then he'll be a hero in my book..

 

That's my vent for the day.

 

You got a new job? I must've missed that. I know that state insurance (Blue Cross) doesn't kick in for the first month of employment and that's bad enough. Two is ridiculous, especially if you have kids. Almost as ridiculous as the term 'pre-existing condition'.

[lamradio]

You got a new job? I must've missed that. I know that state insurance (Blue Cross) doesn't kick in for the first month of employment and that's bad enough. Two is ridiculous, especially if you have kids. Almost as ridiculous as the term 'pre-existing condition'.

 

Not a new job, but different company at the same job. That's how the IT world works. Business are always trying to find the cheapest IT outsourcer, so they usually switch companies every few years. I've worked for four different companies in the last five years, but only two different job sites.

[bjorn_skurj]

This just in: Senate nixes public option. Health care reform is now a bucket of poop.

[ih8music]

A fairly optimistic perspective on today's actions by the senate finance committee:

 

Today, the Senate Finance Committee voted on two amendments from Senators Schumer and Rockefeller to add a public health insurance option to the Baucus Bill. Both of those amendments were defeated, 8-15 and 10-13 respectively.

 

In a long debate on the amendments, Senators spoke out vigorously in favor of the idea. Rockefeller exhorted his colleagues to consider the people of this country as they vote. Schumer asked why the insurance industry was afraid of a little competition. Cantwell, Menendez, Bingaman, Kerry, Bill Nelson, and Stabenow all made their cases and pushed back hard on the misinformation coming from the opposition. The intellectual and moral case for the public health insurance option was clear. And there were some pleasant surprises as Senator Wyden voted for both amendments, and Senators Bill Nelson and Carper voted for the Schumer amendment.

 

On the Rockefeller amendment, which would have created a public health insurance option based on Medicare, the roll call was:

 

Democrats

 

Max Baucus, MT - No

John D. Rockefeller IV, WV - Aye

Kent Conrad, ND - No

Jeff Bingaman, NM - Aye

John Kerry, MA - Aye

Blanche Lincoln, AR - No

Ron Wyden, OR - Aye

Charles Schumer, NY - Aye

Debbie Stabenow, MI - Aye

Maria Cantwell, WA - Aye

Bill Nelson, FL - No

Robert Menendez, NJ - Aye

Thomas Carper, DE - No

 

Republicans

 

Chuck Grassley, IA - No

Orrin Hatch, UT - No

Olympia Snowe, ME - No

Jon Kyl, AZ - No

Jim Bunning, KY - No

Mike Crapo, ID - No

Pat Roberts, KS - No

John Ensign, NV - No

Mike Enzi, WY - No

John Cornyn, TX - No

 

On the Schumer amendment, which would have created a "level playing field" public health insurance option, the roll call has:

 

Democrats

 

Max Baucus, MT - No

John D. Rockefeller IV, WV - Aye

Kent Conrad, ND - No

Jeff Bingaman, NM - Aye

John Kerry, MA - Aye

Blanche Lincoln, AR - No

Ron Wyden, OR - Aye

Charles Schumer, NY - Aye

Debbie Stabenow, MI - Aye

Maria Cantwell, WA - Aye

Bill Nelson, FL - Aye

Robert Menendez, NJ - Aye

Thomas Carper, DE - Aye

 

Republicans

 

Chuck Grassley, IA - No

Orrin Hatch, UT - No

Olympia Snowe, ME - No

Jon Kyl, AZ - No

Jim Bunning, KY - No

Mike Crapo, ID - No

Pat Roberts, KS - No

John Ensign, NV - No

Mike Enzi, WY - No

John Cornyn, TX - No

 

In the most conservative committee in the Senate, which is itself the most conservative house of Congress, a public health insurance option got the support of an overwhelming majority of the governing party. And as such, it sets the stage for the next step.

 

As has been reiterated over and over on this blog, the public health insurance option saves money and lowers costs, it's the only way to hold insurance companies accountable, and it is overwhelmingly popular - both in Congress, where four out of five committees have already passed a public health insurance option, and with the American people, 77% of whom support the idea. The next time the public health insurance option will come up for consideration is when Harry Reid merges the Finance bill with the HELP bill. The above facts should be kept in mind during that process.

 

Today was the first step in building momentum for a public health insurance option in the Senate. Clearly, the idea has weight - even self-described moderates such as Bill Nelson and Tom Carper voted for it. As we move to the floor and into conference, with Schumer, Rockefeller, and other champions pledging support a whipping their colleagues, those numbers can and will continue to grow. I believe, like Schumer does, that a public health insurance option will be in the bill President Obama signs into law. It'll take work, and it won't be pretty, but it can and will happen.

 

Chris Bowers has an update to our Senate whip count proving we have 51 votes in the Senate for a public health insurance option. Senator Harkin concurs. As today made clear, there will be surprises as this debate commences. Senators Wyden, Carper, and Nelson (FL) made clear that they support a public health insurance option, something that we didn't know beforehand. Who knows what other surprises await us as the push continues.

 

Today was the first step. Today, Senators voted for the first time on the sole question of the public health insurance option, and a huge majority of Democrats supported it. There is no question that this was a big day for health reform, and it will shape the ground going forward.

[LouieB]

This just in: Senate nixes public option. Health care reform is now a bucket of poop.

While I do think the public option is important, there are other issues in health care reform that are NOT poop, at least for those who have insurance or trying to get it.

 

I understand how people feel about this, but getting some reform on pre-existing conditions, etc. will help millions of people. Sometimes Rome wasn't built in a day. Clearly the insurance companies hold sway over the US Congress, but a few good measures at this point will not be so bad. If we totally give up on this, we are back to square one, which is nowhere.

 

Also the House does get a say in this....

 

LouieB

[Good Old Neon]

RE: Palin

 

"My honest view is that she would not be a winning candidate for president and if she was the results would be ... catastrophic," - McCain '08 manager Steve Schmidt

 

link - http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/former-mccain-campaign-manger-nominating-palin-in-2012-would-be-catastrophic.php

[Good Old Neon]

Unrelated, but if Palin was a biker dude's old lady, she'd be Gemma.

 

Five minutes of her yapping in my ear, and I’d be begging relief from a tree at 90 mph.

[Good Old Neon]

From Beliefnet:

 

Conservatizing the Bible

 

 

 

The eager young men at Conservapedia are p.o.'d that the Bible might be seen as too liberal. So they've come up with the Wiki-style Conservative Bible Project, to make sure the Lord doesn't go all wobbly on us. Excerpt:

 

As of 2009, there is no fully conservative translation of the Bible which satisfies the following ten guidelines:[1]

 

Framework against Liberal Bias: providing a strong framework that enables a thought-for-thought translation without corruption by liberal bias

 

Not Emasculated: avoiding unisex, "gender inclusive" language, and other modern emasculation of Christianity

 

Not Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity; the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level[2]

 

Utilize Powerful Conservative Terms: using powerful new conservative terms as they develop;[3] defective translations use the word "comrade" three times as often as "volunteer"; similarly, updating words which have a change in meaning, such as "word", "peace", and "miracle"

 

Combat Harmful Addiction: combating addiction by using modern terms for it, such as "gamble" rather than "cast lots";[4] using modern political terms, such as "register" rather than "enroll" for the census

 

Accept the Logic of Hell: applying logic with its full force and effect, as in not denying or downplaying the very real existence of Hell or the Devil.

 

Express Free Market Parables; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning

 

Exclude Later-Inserted Liberal Passages: excluding the later-inserted liberal passages that are not authentic, such as the adulteress story

 

Credit Open-Mindedness of Disciples: crediting open-mindedness, often found in youngsters like the eyewitnesses Mark and John, the authors of two of the Gospels

 

Prefer Conciseness over Liberal Wordiness: preferring conciseness to the liberal style of high word-to-substance ratio; avoid compound negatives and unnecessary ambiguities

 

Thus, a project has begun among members of Conservapedia to translate the Bible in accordance with these principles. The translated Bible can be found here.

 

"The liberal style of high word-to-substance ratio"? Hoo-wee! Elitists like to use words, and lots of 'em! "Unnecessary ambiguities"? But how are you going to abide by the conservative mandate to avoid "dumbing down" Holy Writ while at the same time avoiding big words liberals use?

 

More seriously, the insane hubris of this really staggers the mind. These right-wing ideologues know better than the early church councils that canonized Scripture? They really think it's wise to force the word of God to conform to a 21st-century American idea of what constitutes conservatism? These jokers don't worship God. They worship ideology. As Mark Shea says:

 

Right wing dementia marches on apace. Some of this has a grain of sense to it, as ideological madness always does. For instance, the dumb attempts to feminize Scripture are pernicious and need to stop. But seriously: the story of the woman taken in adultery is "liberal"? Free market as Sacred tradition? Liberal wordiness?

 

You really need to read the whole Conservapedia entry to grasp how crazy this is. It's like what you'd get if you crossed the Jesus Seminar with the College Republican chapter at a rural institution of Bible learnin'.

 

link - http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2009/10/conservatizing-the-bible.html

[Edie]

In case this hasn't been mentioned, Consumer Union (publisher of Consumer Reports) has taken a firm stand on the issue of healthcare -- through the eyes of consumers.

 

Excerpt from this: Prescription for Change

 

Do not delay

 

If comprehensive health-care reform is not enacted and things continue as they are, experts estimate that in the next 10 years:

 

 

• Health-care spending will rise from $2.4 trillion today to $4.7 trillion in 2019.
  
• Family employer-sponsored health-care premiums will exceed $30,000 a year, up from $12,680 today.
  
• We will spend as much as $10 trillion on unnecessary care.
  
• An estimated 62 million Americans will be uninsured as ever fewer people are able to afford coverage.
  
• More than 220,000 of these uninsured will die because they sought care too late for their medical problem.
  
• Over 1 million Americans will die due to preventable medical harm.
  

[bjorn_skurj]

Liberty Counsel

NEWS RELEASE

Contact: PUBLIC RELATIONS DEPARTMENT - 800-671-1776

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: October 5, 2009

 

Liberty Counsel Unveils the Adopt a Liberal™ Prayer Program

 

www.LC.org

 

Washington, DC – Liberty Counsel has launched a new program called Adopt a Liberal™. The program encourages people to pray for those in leadership to restore poor leaders to right thinking. The Adopt a Liberal™prayer-in-action program is based on the words of the Apostle Paul toTimothy to pray for “all who are in authority, that we may lead a quietand peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.” I Timothy 2:1-3.The list can be obtained at www.LC.org.

 

The current list of liberals includes Democrats, Republicans,Independents, and those who are not political leaders but whoseleadership and actions affect our lives. The Adopt a Liberal™program urges people “to pray daily for the liberal(s) of your choice,so each can become a good influence on our Nation’s culture. Prayer ispowerful! It allows God to change the minds of those for whom we arepraying.” The list includes President Barack Obama, New York MayorMichael Bloomberg, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Speaker Nancy Pelosi,Congressman Barney Frank, Science Czar John Holdren, Senator OlympiaSnowe, Barry Lynn, and others. There is even the “Unknown Liberal,”which allows people to nominate a liberal of their choice.

 

Recently Mat Staver was interviewed on Fox Radio by Alan Colmes, whonominated himself to be on the list. Alan graciously sent LibertyCounsel his photo, and he has now been added to the list of liberalsfor whom people will offer daily prayers.

 

Liberty Counsel will be producing a deck of cards similar tobaseball trading cards. On one side will be the picture of a liberaland, on the other side, some of their liberal positions or policiesthat negatively impact life, liberty and family. In this way people canpray for a specific person and then trade cards with their friends.There will be 51 cards, which is one card short of a full deck! LibertyCounsel will also be producing a bumper sticker that reads: “Have you prayed for a liberal today?” While the Adopt a Liberal™program has a humorous side, it also has a serious side. It is trulydesigned to be a program that encourages people to pray for our leaders.

 

Mathew D. Staver, Founder of Liberty Counsel and Dean of LibertyUniversity School of Law, commented: “The admonition to pray for ourleaders is one that we take seriously. It is easy to berate those inauthority and more difficult to pray for them, but that is what theBible commands us to do. Our leaders affect life, liberty and family,and we aim to restore poor leaders to right thinking. We believe inmiracles. The Apostle Paul experienced a radical change of heart on theroad to Damascus. Indeed, God is the ultimate trump card.”

 

[Good Old Neon]

Liberty Counsel

NEWS RELEASE

Contact: PUBLIC RELATIONS DEPARTMENT - 800-671-1776

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: October 5, 2009

 

Liberty Counsel Unveils the Adopt a Liberal™ Prayer Program

 

www.LC.org

 

Washington, DC – Liberty Counsel has launched a new program called Adopt a Liberal™. The program encourages people to pray for those in leadership to restore poor leaders to right thinking. The Adopt a Liberal™prayer-in-action program is based on the words of the Apostle Paul toTimothy to pray for “all who are in authority, that we may lead a quietand peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.” I Timothy 2:1-3.The list can be obtained at www.LC.org.

 

The current list of liberals includes Democrats, Republicans,Independents, and those who are not political leaders but whoseleadership and actions affect our lives. The Adopt a Liberal™program urges people “to pray daily for the liberal(s) of your choice,so each can become a good influence on our Nation’s culture. Prayer ispowerful! It allows God to change the minds of those for whom we arepraying.” The list includes President Barack Obama, New York MayorMichael Bloomberg, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Speaker Nancy Pelosi,Congressman Barney Frank, Science Czar John Holdren, Senator OlympiaSnowe, Barry Lynn, and others. There is even the “Unknown Liberal,”which allows people to nominate a liberal of their choice.

 

Recently Mat Staver was interviewed on Fox Radio by Alan Colmes, whonominated himself to be on the list. Alan graciously sent LibertyCounsel his photo, and he has now been added to the list of liberalsfor whom people will offer daily prayers.

 

Liberty Counsel will be producing a deck of cards similar tobaseball trading cards. On one side will be the picture of a liberaland, on the other side, some of their liberal positions or policiesthat negatively impact life, liberty and family. In this way people canpray for a specific person and then trade cards with their friends.There will be 51 cards, which is one card short of a full deck! LibertyCounsel will also be producing a bumper sticker that reads: “Have you prayed for a liberal today?” While the Adopt a Liberal™program has a humorous side, it also has a serious side. It is trulydesigned to be a program that encourages people to pray for our leaders.

 

Mathew D. Staver, Founder of Liberty Counsel and Dean of LibertyUniversity School of Law, commented: “The admonition to pray for ourleaders is one that we take seriously. It is easy to berate those inauthority and more difficult to pray for them, but that is what theBible commands us to do. Our leaders affect life, liberty and family,and we aim to restore poor leaders to right thinking. We believe inmiracles. The Apostle Paul experienced a radical change of heart on theroad to Damascus. Indeed, God is the ultimate trump card.”

 

 

 

 

Is the first thing that came to mind...

[bjorn_skurj]

The need a better understanding of how to use a space bar, too. I will pray for them.

That is actually not their fault - for whatever reason, whenever I cutty-paste something to this board lately, the spacing is all focacta.

[uncool2pillow]

From Beliefnet:

 

Conservatizing the Bible

Ha! A friend sent me a link to the Conservapedia site today. I think there are a handful of valid points going on here. But I think it's hilarious that a group who by and large believes the Bible is the glorified and unchanging word of God want to revise it to square with their views. They may make some valid points, but even bringing up this discussion discredits a Fundamentalist view of the Bible.

[bjorn_skurj]

Everybody knows there is only one acceptable version of the Bible, and that is King James's.