46 years and nothing's changed

[Guest Jules]

People die. Just cause this dude bit it on a public sidewalk, everyone has their panties in a bunch. If he was around the corner in an alley, no one would say shit.

[Good Old Neon]

hello! there is video that SHOWS PEOPLE WALKING BUY AND DOING NOTHING FOR HOURS!!!!! it's on tape! it's a very big deal in my opinion. it's great that someone called 911, but they didn't call soon enough because he laid there for hours and DIED! he could have been saved.

 

I’m not making excuses or trying to justify the actions of those who were present, and I don’t know all the particulars, but if he was stabbed in the heart, which, based on the way he collapsed, it appears as though he was, in all likelihood, he was probably dead within minutes of collapsing.

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look; I never said that this was some downfall of mankind, but this is an outrageous event and downplaying it is bullshit in my opinion. I probably have passed someone that was bleeding and didn't know it. I'm not any kind of saint. this did not have to nor did it need to happen and it's tragic. if you can't see the tragedy in this, then I don't even know what to say.

 

I’m not making excuses or trying to justify the actions of those who were present, and I don’t know all the particulars, but if he was stabbed in the heart, which, based on the way he collapsed, it appears as though he was, in all likelihood, he was probably dead within minutes of collapsing.

 

 

yeah, so then it's no big deal then. it's all good. carry on. whatever.

[Guest Speed Racer]

Who has said this isn't a tragedy?

[bjorn_skurj]

Yes.

 

My point is that people are disengaged and afraid and/or reluctant to get involved.

And your point is?

That there is a universality to that problem.

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That there is a universality to that problem.

 

 

agreed

[Good Old Neon]

 

 

 

 

yeah, so then it's no big deal then. it's all good. carry on. whatever.

 

That wasn’t my point at all – I was just making a comment based on observation.

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Who has said this isn't a tragedy?

 

 

no one has said it verbatim, but it has been said, "people die" and "what were people supposed to do, CPR?" and I just sense a general "who really gives a fuck? it happens." those kinds of attitudes piss me off and justify the point of this thread - that there is a lack of responsibility among people who don't want to "get involved" or whatever. I can't even speak about it anymore. ugh! frustrating!

 

That wasn’t my point at all – I was just making a comment based on observation.

 

 

then I don't get the point. just because he may have died instantly doesn't make people's apathy excusable. that probably isn't your point either, but I just don't get the fact that people can make excuses for the lack of response to someone lying bleeding and motionless on the street.

[Guest Jules]

no one has said it verbatim, but it has been said, "people die" and "what were people supposed to do, CPR?" and I just sense a general "who really gives a fuck? it happens." those kinds of attitudes piss me off and justify the point of this thread - that there is a lack of responsibility among people who don't want to "get involved" or whatever. I can't even speak about it anymore. ugh! frustrating!

no one said "who really gives a fuck?". I said "people die" and "it happens", because it does. Sorry to upset you.

[bjorn_skurj]

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I didn't say anyone said "who gives a fuck." but saying this is a "non-thread issue" kind of indicates that this event isn't worth mentioning. it's very upsetting

[Guest Speed Racer]

no one has said it verbatim,

 

And in fact, I've stated several times (in bold, even!) that it is a tragedy.

 

But the second tragedy is irresponsible, overly dramatic, incomplete reporting. We have very little idea of what actually happened, and in fact the reporting itself obstructs many facts in the article. Three phone calls per 8 people - the first came from the female victim likely, and we don't know if the other people were together or not. If they were, then nearly everyone who passed by called police. We don't know WHEN people walked by him, in terms of how long he had been there. One call came in at 7:00, another at 7:20. The first of those calls could have been the first people to see him since the victim. We don't know, because the reporter apparently can't watch video and write what s/he sees. Or it didn't make a good story.

[Good Old Neon]

no one has said it verbatim, but it has been said, "people die" and "what were people supposed to do, CPR?" and I just sense a general "who really gives a fuck? it happens." those kinds of attitudes piss me off and justify the point of this thread - that there is a lack of responsibility among people who don't want to "get involved" or whatever. I can't even speak about it anymore. ugh! frustrating!

 

 

 

 

then I don't get the point. just because he may have died instantly doesn't make people's apathy excusable. that probably isn't your point either, but I just don't get the fact that people can make excuses for the lack of response to someone lying bleeding and motionless on the street.

 

My only point was that, if he was indeed stabbed in the heart, his death was probably near instantaneous – that’s it, I wasn’t passing value and/or moral judgment.

[Guest Jules]

it's very upsetting

it'll pass

[MattZ]

I happen to agree that it's unfair to blame the folks walking by because we have no way to know who called and who didnt, and what they saw or didnt see. And lord knows, I've stepped over what feels like 100 drunk folks in the street or subways. But in kcilf's defense, this wouldn't have happened if the dude was wearing a suit and tie. At least, I don't think it would have happened.

[bleedorange]

I happen to agree that it's unfair to blame the folks walking by because we have no way to know who called and who didnt, and what they saw or didnt see. And lord knows, I've stepped over what feels like 100 drunk folks in the street or subways. But in kcilf's defense, this wouldn't have happened if the dude was wearing a suit and tie. At least, I don't think it would have happened.

 

Probably true. I think people are just reluctant to get involved. In a somewhat related story, there were two men here in Fort Worth that went next door to help a new neighbor move in. The next morning they were both found shot to death. Obviously, these situations are very different, but I think it highlights why people would rather do the prudent thing and just stay away.

[Winston Legthigh]

Obviously, these situations are very different, but I think it highlights why people would rather do the prudent thing and just stay away.

 

I would think that a common thought of a passerby would be "Holy shit - someone was stabbed. The stabber could still be nearby. I do not want to get stabbed. Walk faster."

 

I can't blame them. Seems like a normal response to a potentially dangerous situation is to get away from the potentially dangerous situation.

[Sir Stewart]

Maybe their cell phones were dead?

 

This is New York City, not a horror movie.

[Sweet Papa Crimbo]

Shows people walking by for HOUR - no 'S'. Three phone calls were placed - one apparently by the woman who was attacked, immediately after he was attacked, and two by two other people. In the course of an hour.

 

Including the female victim, about 8 people walked by him (we don't know for sure, because the reporter can't count). I do not blame the five people who didn't call for thinking he was alright.

 

Once more: we don't know how far the range of the camera is. Obviously, the people who called, called off screen. Did the people who pass him walk right by him, or did they pass him on the other side of the street? "Some" - again, great reporting - people looked. Did some people look and not see he was in danger? It's quite possible that the "some" people were the other two who called 911. To the people who didn't look, how are you supposed to report something if you don't SEE it?

 

 

 

Have you passed people you didn't know were bleeding? Have you passed people you couldn't see?

 

I love situational ethics.

[Guest Speed Racer]

I love situational ethics.

 

Um...how is that situational? I mean, unless by situational you mean, "fact-based ethics." We DO NOT KNOW who called 911, but we do know that whoever called, called outside the view of the camera. Therefore, we do not know if any bystanders pictured, called 911 off camera. Therefore, I'm not going to judge them, or claim they did nothing.

 

It's not situational, it's factual. You know, based in reality.

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I happen to agree that it's unfair to blame the folks walking by because we have no way to know who called and who didnt, and what they saw or didnt see. And lord knows, I've stepped over what feels like 100 drunk folks in the street or subways. But in kcilf's defense, this wouldn't have happened if the dude was wearing a suit and tie. At least, I don't think it would have happened.

 

 

thanks, you're probably right about that.