Moe Tucker "teabagger?" WTF!

[LouieB]

Who has taken that position?

"I support the idea of people caring for themselves rather than a allowing the government to care for them. I also support a government that does not enable a problem, or escalate a problem."

 

I think D-Dogg said this....

 

I support people supporting themselves too. In a perfect world all folks would have jobs with insurance supplied by the private sector that meets all their needs. But not everyone can work their entire lives, some folks are disabled, some are sick, some are unemployed, some are children, some are old. I don't know what it means to enable a problem or escalate a problem. Are their folks who take advantage of public assistance programs. Of course. Are their people who rip off other people because they are crooks. Of course. Do we support those who take advantage of the services that should go to the infirmed or disabled, no, of course not.

 

So do we disown goverment programs because a sector of the population does this? Some apparently do. Then again individuals and corporations cheat on their taxes, ignore health and safety legislation, etc. As Woody Guthrie said so elaquently "Some will rob you with a six gun, some with a fountain pen." It is just very easy to say, I'll never need assistance so this program is stupid, or people take advantage of these systems so dump them.

 

I know it is time for me to croak so that I won't collect my pension, my health insurance, my medicare, my Social Security, or any other program I may be part of so that the the younger generation doesn't have to support me (although at the moment I am supporting the heck out of the younger generation...but I don't want to get too personal here.... )

 

I would just really like to see some of you guys say....end the wars, roll back all we spend on the bullshit military that isn't protecting us, reduce corporate welfare, etc. Somehow the argument coming from the more conservative side of these arguments want to cut social programs, but not the programs that do us less good, including pork and corporate subsidies. Meanwhile it usually comes down to let's get rid of publicly funded programs that benefit the elderly, the sick, children, the unemployed, and the poor. Having social programs that are supported by all of us to benefit those in need is the sign of a healthy civilization.

 

LouieB

[Reni]

 

Her qualifications are similar to Obama.

 

 

[Guest Jules]

Her qualifications are similar to Obama;

 

 

It's funny cause it's true.

[Atticus]

apparently the interwebs have not had the transparency effect on our government that many hoped for/predicted. it does, however, make a lot of douchebaggery apparent at via chicago, which is awesome.

[Reni]

It's funny cause it's true.

 

So, that journalism degree from (what was it?) Idaho, is on par with a degree from Columbia, a JD from Harvard Law and a professorship at the University of Chicago. You betcha!

[Guest Jules]

So, that journalism degree from (what was it?) Idaho, is on par with a degree from Columbia, a JD from Harvard Law and a professorship at the University of Chicago. You betcha!

Those are just pieces of paper.

[Guest Speed Racer]

Yeah, with the Miss Alaska thing the lady got a sash. Where the fuck's Obama's sash!?

[u2roolz]

Her qualifications are similar to Obama; and I did not want either of them.

 

Actually, both of them had porns made about them. It's kind of a funny thing that they never made one about Bush and Dick.

[LouieB]

I am so ready for President Palin I can't stand it. I think Congress should impeach Obama now and then hold a special election and get her ass in there. Why wait until 2012? She will be so much more entertaining than Barack and isn't that what we all want anyway? (Who cares about a background in Constitutional law??)

 

LouieB

[Guest Jules]

There goes Lou, once again putting words in people's mouths. No one said (here) that they want Palin as President. I only agreed with the statement that her qualifications are "similar to Obama". That's all.

 

Now, calm down.

[Good Old Neon]

From Tax.com:

 

 

Scary New Wage Data

 

http://tax.com/taxcom/taxblog.nsf/Permalink/UBEN-8AGMUZ?OpenDocument

[Sir Stewart]

I only agreed with the statement that her qualifications are "similar to Obama". That's all.

 

You're similar to Obama.

[Guest Jules]

You're similar to Obama.

Nah, I'm ALL black.

[Tweedling]

Actually, both of them had porns made about them. It's kind of a funny thing that they never made one about Bush and Dick.

Careful! You could get in big trouble for throwing out sex jokes on this thread! Trust me.

[ikol]

"I support the idea of people caring for themselves rather than a allowing the government to care for them. I also support a government that does not enable a problem, or escalate a problem."

 

I think D-Dogg said this....

 

I support people supporting themselves too. In a perfect world all folks would have jobs with insurance supplied by the private sector that meets all their needs. But not everyone can work their entire lives, some folks are disabled, some are sick, some are unemployed, some are children, some are old. I don't know what it means to enable a problem or escalate a problem. Are their folks who take advantage of public assistance programs. Of course. Are their people who rip off other people because they are crooks. Of course. Do we support those who take advantage of the services that should go to the infirmed or disabled, no, of course not.

 

Seems to me that the disagreement here is less whether the government should help the helpless and more how many people qualify as helpless. I tend to believe that somewhat less than every single person 65 and older requires assistance.

 

So do we disown goverment programs because a sector of the population does this? Some apparently do. Then again individuals and corporations cheat on their taxes, ignore health and safety legislation, etc. As Woody Guthrie said so elaquently "Some will rob you with a six gun, some with a fountain pen." It is just very easy to say, I'll never need assistance so this program is stupid, or people take advantage of these systems so dump them.

 

Was the rest of the quote, "the government does both"?

 

I know it is time for me to croak so that I won't collect my pension, my health insurance, my medicare, my Social Security, or any other program I may be part of so that the the younger generation doesn't have to support me (although at the moment I am supporting the heck out of the younger generation...but I don't want to get too personal here.... )

 

Calm down. No one here has advocated that you croak (not even sarcastically).

 

I would just really like to see some of you guys say....end the wars, roll back all we spend on the bullshit military that isn't protecting us, reduce corporate welfare, etc. Somehow the argument coming from the more conservative side of these arguments want to cut social programs, but not the programs that do us less good, including pork and corporate subsidies. Meanwhile it usually comes down to let's get rid of publicly funded programs that benefit the elderly, the sick, children, the unemployed, and the poor. Having social programs that are supported by all of us to benefit those in need is the sign of a healthy civilization.

 

I'm all for cutting defense spending, but that is only part of the solution. Regardless of what we do with defense spending, Social Security and Medicare as they currently exist are not sustainable.

 

 

So, that journalism degree from (what was it?) Idaho, is on par with a degree from Columbia, a JD from Harvard Law and a professorship at the University of Chicago. You betcha!

 

Woodrow Wilson had a PhD and he was a terrible President.

[Tweedling]

Woodrow Wilson had a PhD and he was a terrible President.

I'm pretty sure Lincoln had no college education.

[Winston Legthigh]

 

Woodrow Wilson had a PhD and he was a terrible President.

Terrible according to whom?

 

These polls place him in either the first or second quartile.

[ikol]

Terrible according to whom?

 

Probably the person who called him terrible, which would be me. There are these things called opinions. They're like facts but fuzzier less well-supported.

[Winston Legthigh]

Probably the person who called him terrible, which would be me. There are these things called opinions. They're like facts but fuzzier less well-supported.

Oh. So why do you think he was terrible?

[Reni]

Woodrow Wilson had a PhD and he was a terrible President.

 

I'll agree with you on this....but for likely very different reasons.

[ikol]

Oh. So why do you think he was terrible?

 

Dude, I don't remember. That was like 90 years ago.

[LouieB]

Woodrow Wilson isn't even in the top 10 terrible Presidents. He did have significant health problems late in his presidency though. And before anyone says it, I was not around for him either.

 

I am NOT speaking for anyone but myself in regards to wanting a President Palin. I think the comedy value of having her as President far outweighs any other consideration.

 

As far as Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid are concerned, ikol is correct, they are not sustainable in their current form. Neither are any other government programs, services or the military unless the rich and corporations pay their fair share of taxes (and maybe the middle class too). We can't start wars we can't pay for either. The US of A wants to be the big dog of the world, but we don't want to have to pay to be that big dog. We can't rebuild New Orleans, refurbish the Gulf, help out Haiti, educate the youth, get more folks out of poverty, build infrastructure, bring peace to the middle east, stop global warming, or do anything without the money to pay for it. The argument here is not about the sustainability of any particular effort, it is about what are this country's priorities. Once again, it is easy to dump everything on the old and infirmed (Social Security and publicly funded healthcare), so long as all the rest of the crap goes untouched. Do we really need the next bomber, the next missile system, the next military incursion into a country that doesn't attack us and give up some degree of security for older folks, the sick and the disabled? Maybe not if you are young. But if you are older, well then maybe one's priorities are different. I guess ultimately it is up to all of us to decide.

 

LouieB

[Edie]

The only thing I am going to insist on if she becomes president is a law that allows us to recall her.

[LouieB]

The only thing I am going to insist on if she becomes president is a law that allows us to recall her.

Knowing her past history shw would quit first anyway.

 

LouieB

[Guest Speed Racer]

As opposed to her present or future history?