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i agree with giraffo's comment as well on the album title. makes a lot of sense.

Yeah. I hear elements of all 6 Wilco previous albums.

Well, I'm not saying they sound the same. I'm just saying I get that same excited feeling that I didn't get with SBS.

SBS is the really crappy hiccup between two masterpieces for me. Impossible Germany was a great song, but the rest was really meh.

W(TA) is freaking genius.

so much for leak detection...

If Bull Black Nova got me pregnant, I wouldn't even consider abortion.

If Bull Black Nova got me pregnant, I'd saunter around in a dress and plan my baby shower.

Bull Black Nova bends me over my desk and fucks me. Gently. Firmly. Maybe reaches around and cradles my balls a bit.

Quoted for p®osterity.

This is...I am speechless.

I don't want to lay on wanky hyperbole..but this is the best American rock album since Foxtrot.

I give this 6 out of 5 stars.

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I will give a kidney seriously.

If anyone can provide any assistance to a nonWaffler that would be greatly appreciated. I am twitching with anticipation.

Me too...but I'm twitching cause I partied too hard the other night...still anticipation too.

Prove it.

I'll download the leak, then buy the album. Then buy the version with the EP.

I smell bullshit.

Can I ask a dumb question?

 

Is it unethical to download / listen to a leaked record?

Not if you buy it.

I just can't get over it...a camel.

I don't care what it means or why it is. It's a 7' tall, 1500 lb walking w. With a party hat. I can't think of anything more outrageously funny.

Don't you people have jobs?

Wow, way to make a good first impression.

I am 8 shades of stoked for their new record.

I don't think that's a problem - most people who consume music are not musicians themselves. I think there's room for both approaches and more. There are all kinds of ways to come to an appreciation for music.

True. And also there are tons of musicians with awful taste.

I agree. I still like the album. Hey, it's Wilco.

Yeah I mean, if any other band had put out SBS, I would've probably given up after the 2nd listen. But I tried to squeeze some enjoyment out of it. There are maybe 3 songs I love and 3 or 4 others I like.

Pitchfork is just a website... Their album ratings are pretty consistent in terms of what they rate well or rate poorly. YHF overlapped pretty well with what they typically like, SBS did not. If the new album contains the sort of things they value, it will score well, if it doesn't it won't. If their tastes don't overlap with yours, calm down and read some other music site.

Here's a problem with music critics in general; most aren't actually musicians. So instead of valuing say a great chord progression, or a melody line which is original, they tend to go with things that are more tangeible and universal like a good drum beat, cool samples, lyrics that they feel speak to certain issues.

That's why someone like M.I.A. is treated like the second coming, and songs more traditional and melodic based often get written off.

i understand what you are saying, however, a top 100 albums of the 90's list with no mention of pearl jam is just wrong.

I'm more of a Nirvana guy than a Pearl Jam guy so...I kind of liked it. Though on an objective level, the idea of Ten not being on the list in order to feature an album that sold 1600 copies is pretty silly.

Still it was kind of cool finding a publication that wrote about music that other people weren't. I personally wouldn't have found Wilco, The Flaming Lips, Neutral Milk Hotel and several other great bands without Pitchfork. As much as I've outgrown them, and started to hate some of their attitudes towards music, I can't deny that they got me into several of my favorite albums and bands.

I agree with you there.......I got into UT around the time they broke up and got into both SV and Wilco's first albums......Eventually I took to Jeff's singing more than Jay's and pretty much went with Wilco after Being There......YHF was a chore for me to get into until much later, actually after SBS and seeing them live.

Yeah I mean, I was 19 years old when I heard YHF. That was the perfect type of record for me. I actually had more trouble getting into Wilco's country tunes than getting into Wilco's noisey tunes or expiremental tunes if you will.

I have a hard time believing that YHF brought tons of "grown-ups" into the fold who weren't already there, or that the younger people who are Wilco fans now were brought into the fold by UT and Being There.

Yeah, Pitchfork is really annoying..

They only care about totally obscure indie bands, and once those bands get popular enough they turn on them (other than Radiohead ofcourse).

Critics argue that the site often emphasizes a reviewers' own writing over the actual music being reviewed, sometimes not even reviewing the album and instead criticizing the artist's integrity

Also their reviewers care more about how "cool" and "hip" their reviews are rather than the music being reviewed, and sometimes they dont even review the album but criticize the artists who make it... and I bet none of them can even play an instrument

When I first found pitchfork I loved them...I saw their top 100 albums of the 90s and was like "OMG, a top 100 with no Pearl Jam, Metallica, and Nine Inch Nails? this site rocks!!!" I liked that they were willing to knock a band regardless of who they are.

I don't think bands should automatically get gold stars just because "Hey we liked their last album." or "They did something really important 5 years ago." That being said, I begin noticing that they were writing off bands for really arbitrary reasons, and praising bands for equally arbitrary reasons.

So while I like pitchfork in theory, in practice, pitchfork doesn't work. Sort of like Marxist political theory.

I dunno - all speculation, really, without market research data. I bought the first Mermaid Avenue when it came out and was barely whelmed. I held off on YHF for quite some time. I would judge, solely by comparing the people on this board to the cretin-crammed ranks of other music boards, that Wilco fans skew toward the mature.

True. But like, the sales difference between Being There and YHF when you think about it, is pretty minor. 350k to 500k sales difference. It's not like the difference of a break out between say, a Smashing Pumpkins album that sells 100k and one that sells 5 million copies.

I'm not saying that younger people in their late teens early 20s are any sort of majority of the Wilco fan base; I'm just saying YHF took it from maybe like 1% of the Wilco fan base being under 25 to 10-15% of it.