uncle wilco
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i don't believe in polls.
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Lets just say I was saying what I said, just a few crack pot emails nothing mainstream. It's not like it has entered the mainstream at all. I mean my friend who saw my wife and I fist bump after a good golf shot last week and said not to do that because it is what terrorists do, probably got that notion off of some whacked out email he recieved. Probably from the same email where he learned that Obama was raised Muslim in a madrassa in Indonesia, you know that one right? And it's not like it is main stream for any one to note Obama's middle name or the similarity of his last name to Osama? (Which by the way, the first time I heard this comparison was when Obama was running in the dem primaries for Senate). None of this is main stream and if it was it would not apply to you or anyone you know, just the fringe loonies with email.
whenever i read one of your posts it sounds like a frantic missive from lewis black.
he's a funny guy.
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Yep because that's all it is is just a few emails. Nothing on the news nothing on the tlak shows, just a few crack pots with email service.
are you responding to explodo, or me...because i was responding to his quote:
Obama would probably use it a lot less if half of the country wasn't stupid enough to believe that he was a secret Muslim (which, I guess, roughly translates to terrorist) sent here to bring down capitalism from the inside out. -
Obama would probably use it a lot less if half of the country wasn't stupid enough to believe that he was a secret Muslim (which, I guess, roughly translates to terrorist) sent here to bring down capitalism from the inside out.
half the country huh? hmmm, must have missed that poll. funny how disagreeing with the obama on issues translates into believing in dumbass emails...among other things.
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http://www.jamesdobsondoesntspeakforme.com/
One of the guys who helped start this site is a minister from TX who supported Bush previously and now supports Obama.
NEITHER dobson or obama speaks for me...how 'bout them apples?
this minister from TX and his website can take a hike...as can obama and his ridiculous campaign machine.
jeez, enough with the religion already. that goes for BOTH of you (dobson and obama).
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right on! and i would include evangelists who use their whatever to sway politicians and voters both. so tiresome, so fear-mongering, and often so hypocritical. they ought to knock it off, and politicians ought to stop addressing religious issues that have no place in our public life and government.
well, if it's a politician's intention to unify a country, isn't the discussion of politics divisive enough without throwing religion into the mix? i'm glad that my church isn't among those giving political endorsements...like that's even necessary.
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Of course the highly credible James Dobson is the topic of the article. Talk about distorting the bible. I'd love for Mr Dobson to tell when and where god amended the bible and dropped the ancient dietary rules etc... from where I stand I only see one bible and nowhere has it bbeen amended except in the minds of the religious leaders around the world throughout time.
Dobson is apparently referring The Reformed, or Covenant Theology view (one of dozens). It holds that under the new covenant (provided by Jesus' death), the Mosaic Law (old covenant) fundamentally continues, but that parts of it have "expired" and are no longer applicable. The Mosaic laws were divided into three categories: moral, civil, and ceremonial. Only the moral laws of the Mosaic Law, which include the Ten Commandments and the commands repeated in the New Testament, directly apply to Christians today. Ceremonial laws, in this view, included the regulations pertaining to ceremonial cleanliness, festivals, diet, and the Levitical Priesthood. These were among the "expired" items of the law, as when Christianity began to incorporate more and more Gentiles, much of the Jewish tradition went away.
But, with anything relating to religion, there is still much debate among biblical scholars. This is where pure faith becomes diluted with the man-made dogma that I'd rather have no part of. The New Testament covers all of this, especially the book of Acts, and the letters of Paul. There is no real "distorting" of the Bible by Mr. Dobson. However, he is providing yet another example of a religious leader seeking the political spotlight...enough already! And while I'm at it, I've heard quite enough of Obama pandering to the evangelical crowd like he's some kind of theologian. He needs to focus on filling in the details of his hope and change b.s. and quit pandering for votes he'll likely end up turning his back on once he's elected. Can we just take religion out of the political equation and focus on the meat and potatoes? Pleeease?
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"Saint Obama" is much like "Bitter Michelle" in that both are cartoon characters that exist nowhere but in the paranoid nightmares of Republicans. These visions have nothing to do with the real Obamas, of course, but when reality stands in the way of demonizing your opponent, it's always been politically convenient to believe the cartoon. When you buy into the myth, it's much easier to work yourself up into a lather and justify your irrational hatred. (The same thing is happening with "Addict Cindy," who I suspect bears zero resemblance to the real-life Cindy McCain.)
i guess you meant "some" republicans. i probably just read that wrong, but what i initially got out of it was a generalization. sorry, if that wasn't your intention.
Actually, I was just referring to a certain segment of Republicans, the group that, for example, actually has convinced themselves that Michelle Obama is nothing more than a "nasty, bitter, openly racist ingrate," and aren't interested in knowing the Michelle Obama that actually exists in reality. They prefer to believe in the cartoon playing in their head, because they are not interested in policy debate so much as demonization. I think my description was accurate for that particular segment. I don't think I even remotely implied that every person who doesn't support Obama must be an irrational hater. Obviously there are many who have legitimate policy differences with Obama. That goes without saying, doesn't it? I mean, seriously--that goes without saying, doesn't it?Strange that you (inaccurately) accused me of generalizing, and then proceeded to make all kinds of unfounded assumptions and generalizations about me.
i know that you aren't among the unstable, Beltmann. we just disagree politically, that's all. didn't mean to imply otherwise. when i respond to a post, it's more about me addressing the subject at hand rather than always addressing the personality behind the post i'm responding to. i thought we were past all that.
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"But while Bush's public comments about faith have been mostly within the mainstream tradition of presidential rhetoric, his supporters lately have gone in a less-familiar direction: conveying the idea that God is responsible for Bush being in the White House.
"He is one of those men God and fate somehow lead to the fore in times of challenge," said George Pataki in the high-profile introduction of Bush at the Republican National Convention, an introduction almost certainly scrubbed if not written by the White House." - Slate.com
those crazy-assed republicans better look out for lightning strikes.
slate.com...don't know nothing...about my soul...they don't know...
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unc, i love you buddy, but aren't you consistently generalizing those who DO support the policies of Obama? that entire post was one for your 'greatest passive/agressive' hits.
ahh, hell...nobody's perfect.
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Further, Bush was viewed much the same way from his supporters on the right
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"Saint Obama" is much like "Bitter Michelle" in that both are cartoon characters that exist nowhere but in the paranoid nightmares of Republicans. These visions have nothing to do with the real Obamas, of course, but when reality stands in the way of demonizing your opponent, it's always been politically convenient to believe the cartoon. When you buy into the myth, it's much easier to work yourself up into a lather and justify your irrational hatred. (The same thing is happening with "Addict Cindy," who I suspect bears zero resemblance to the real-life Cindy McCain.)
The irony is that the Obama "messiah" sarcasm is often mouthed by the same people who believe George W. Bush is God's agent.
Beltmann, you are generalizing those who do not support the policies of Obama. There is no hatred whatsoever in the equation. disagreement is not based in hatred and it is definately not buying into myth. If a voter has done their research on a candidate and formed their opinion, their point of view is their point of view...period. not recognizing that is arrogance.
liberals need to realize that there is another VALID point of view opposite to their own. one does not have to support bush or even mccain to disagree with barack's talking points. if you haven't noticed, bush's approval rating is in the toilet across the board. he is a non-factor in all this and especially in regards to the propping up of mr. obama. bush is not looked upon fondly by conservatives in general, since he isn't even one himself. demonizing bush will only get you nods of agreement no matter the persons politics. i recognize that there is always another side to an issue. politics are flawed, as we all are.
the obama "messiah" crap is manufactured by the media and his own campaign. the faux-presidential seal is an example of that arrogant mindset. barack would be well served to recognize that he needs independent voters to go his way in order for him to prevail. and independent voters are beholden to no party because they are largely fed up with the arrogant b.s. and corruption of the two major parties to begin with. if barack wants to continue to read his own press-clippings and play into that, he's going to have a rude awakening come november. people are seeing through all that and the longer he keeps fumbling over his own statements, the clearer it will be to others.
people aren't as stupid as some liberals think they are. here's an article on the obama "messiah" machine. go ahead and keep comparing bush/mccain/cindy mccain, etc. because nobody gives a damn about them in regards to his "obamaness." it certainly doesn't change the fact that obama isn't going to get my vote simply because i disagree with his particular brand of "change." millions of people happen to agree with me that barack is not worthy of office and they can't stand bush either. many, including myself, are also not very fond of mccain. throwing out those tired comparisons is a non-mover and only serves as an attempt to distract from their own pathetic candidate. are all those nobama people full of hate simply because they disagree? that's pretty weak.
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Looks like Obama has already dropped the seal. I thought the seal was a tad obnoxious...
yeah, i read that too.
hopefully, they haven't already started painting his private jet to look like airforce one.
now that would really be obnoxious.
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I've also heard speculation elsewhere that he is just planning on reversing this once he is president anyway.
he's given no indication of this whatsoever and it sounds like wishful thinking on behalf of his supporters.
these kind of people are the sheep i've referred to.
not every single compromised principle by someone in government can be about money and ambition, and that's it, can it? every single one? or have they all been hauled aside since ww2 and had their lives seriously threatened by people more powerful than themselves every time it looks like someone is going to buck the system?there has never been a politician unmarred by corruption to some degree.
why would "saint" barack be assumed to be any different?
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Since he made that speech, Obama has said he meant undivided in some other sense than everyone else means it. He says he just meant undivided by fences/barbed wire or something like that--not undivided in terms of Israeli/Palestine territory. Doesn't seem all that plausible that he wouldn't know what "undivided" would mean to his audience.
is he misquoting himself again? geez.. if i had nothing else to do, keeping a list of his gaffes and mis-statements would keep me busy and bored as hell all at the same time.
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That's all fair, UW, but at this point isn't it more true of McCain? I can't believe the press hasn't hammered him, just pummeled him, over his endless flip-flopping and gaffes. I'm not convinced that the corporate media wants Obama more than their safe, old pal McCain.
obama looks much better on camera. come on, who the hell is gonna vote for gramps?
you know how old people talking can make your eyes glaze over, mind wander...
it's bad for tv ratings man...bad...very bad....plus, who is gonna want to do the mccain character on snl? seriously, where's the funny in that? no, obama is the choice of a new generation. sure he's void of substance, but he's hip, he's now, he's...better looking than that old guy...
mccain is the fall guy, a non-threat to an obama candidacy. they couldn't have set up a bigger push-over than the maverick. especially since bob dole is too busy making viagra commercials.
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Obama's so-called "cult of personality" is a right-wing talking point that is intended to serve as a distraction; if Obama can be reduced to a cartoon, and his supporters marginalized as unthinking, then it's easier to dismiss him and avoid having to answer the substance of his campaign. After all, sheep can't be taken seriously, so why bother engaging them in the first place?
how could we not take this guy seriously? he's going to be the prez...i mean he's already got his own official seal and everything.
he sure looks presidential to me...i'm starting to fall in love with him all over again...[snap out of it uw...snap out of it]....sooo dreamy....
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haven't had time yet to check all those out, but why should we take as objective anything patrick ruffini has to say about a non-republican, when he describes himself this way on a townhall website:
"Patrick Ruffini is an online strategist dedicated to helping Republicans and conservatives achieve dominance in a networked era. He has seen American politics from every vantagepoint
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No, UW is just superhuman and therefore immune to Obama's mind tricks, unlike we mere mortals.
i'm just having fun Beltman.
i have a hard time seeing stuff swept under the rug by the media regarding his Obama-ness.
reminds me a lot of the pro-Bush reporting before the Iraq invasion.
when are they gonna stop stroking this guy and get back to their journalistic integrity?
after the election maybe? but they gotta make sure their guy gets in first.
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If anything, Obama has discouraged his supporters from donating to 527s--which is the type of group that could benefit from a Soros.
sure he has...sure he has...
we all know barack is completely above board and completely without suspicion.
he is a shining example of what a politician should aspire to be.
the man is such an inspiration.
flawless
[gestures with his hand]
"these are not the issues you should concern yourself with"
- obama wan kenobi
there are no issues here.
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Right, but the current system doesn't give free television and radio time. That's part of his point. I acknowledged the weaknesses in his rhetorical argument, but again I do think that a person can support public financing of elections without supporting the current public financing system if their reasons for wanting public financing are not addressed by this particular system.
i can think of 255+ million reasons why it's better than public funding. with a broken system that was unable to be fixed by barack's 3 years of trying, there's always loopholes to be found and george soros on speed dial.
barack's got no worries.
i wonder if michelle's picked out the white house window treatments and room colors yet. We've already been told by barack even before he scored the nomination that the white house bowling alley will be replaced with a basketball court. you'd think after bowling a 37 he'd want to practice his bowling skills in private.
this man has plans...big plans. mark your calendars and prepare to be amazed.
i know i am.
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Yep, but did he say he supported this specific system of public financing? He's actually been very critical of it due to the fact that, through 527s, big special-interest money is still in the system. He's made the case that even while opting out of the official public financing system, he is still in fact running a truly publicly financed campaign -- his donations are not coming from PACs and special interest groups, as he's held to a policy of rejecting their donations. It sounds very semantical I know, and I understand rejecting this particular claim, but at the same time his complaints about the current system are valid, and so this isn't completely without merit. The current system does achieve what Obama claimed to want to achieve by supporting public financing of elections (the removal of special interest money).
i do not expect barack supporters to be swayed at all by this or other issues where barack decides to follow the breeze instead of his own words. this is all really pointless when it comes down to it. he's already won this election purely on personality, a ridiculously lame opponent and a horrendous bush legacy that has made democrats appear to be a viable alternative.
game over.
but barack wants to bring a gun to a knife fight with a 71 year-old because the campaign with the most money wins. i guess all that talk about barack working on finance reform the last 3 years was just lipservice. he never really took it seriously.
i guess he doesn't want to take any chances, huh? whatever gets him elected.
Barack Obama Supports Campaign Finance Reform: Obama supports public financing of campaigns combined with free television and radio time as a way to reduce the influence of moneyed special interests. Source: Campaign booklet, "Blueprint for Change", p. 3-5 Feb 2, 2008
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