Bhickman

so it's pop like Summerteeth was pop?

but will the band be taxed now?

this is pop music? whodathunk?

I don't think the band's capable of being "in the groove" of current popular standards. They'll sell a good chunk of records and probably make the top 5 on Billboard, but in this day and age almost anyone can do that. Nothing against Wilco on that last one, just the sorry state of affairs that selling 64,000 copies of an album gets you these days.

Uh, but...regardless, there does not seem to be some sort of conscious desire to "sell out" here or anything. I don't think a band led by a 41 year old father of 2 is in any danger of becoming a teen sensation or something.

You won't see "Jeff Tweedy Folders" in Wal-Mart is what I mean.

Or something like that.

I don't know. Ask someone else already.

Have I entered another dimension?

LoL @ Eminem

and I've listened to Wilco (the song) about a dozen times today and still not heard the Zevon thing. I must tell you I'm a bit oblivious to these things...so it must be awfully subtle.

Next you'll be saying that Kid Rock mashed up Werewolves and a Skynyrd song.

well it's just great stuff all around. I love it. I didn't think I wouldn't, but ya know, I still love it.

what a surprise! just went on the site to check it out and there's a new site design and the album! WoW

I sang "Poor Places" at the AGIB party. Good times.

Sue Tweedy? Isn't that Jeff's wife?

 

Where did you get this? LoL

There's way more hate for Jeff on the Chicago Tribune news ticker. And apparently some commenters there think the current line up is a bunch of yes men.

 

Some one compares the Tweedy/Bennett relationsip to Lennon/McCartney.

 

Is that any one of YOU?

I'd never go that far. Maybe Lennon/Harrison

*shakes head*

Why is Jeff responding to Paste of all news outlets? Paste is horrible.

it's probably a blanket statement to anyone who probably contacts asking for a comment on the lawsuit. in the article it states almost that. he didn't pick up the phone and call them.

This all went south pretty quick

I like to believe that all those weird sounds and noise that appear in the recording were Jay's ideas, but I may be wrong on that.

you would be. Jay states in Kot's book that he was upset more "melodic" songs were left off in favor of other songs that were more obtuse (not his word).

the weird sounds and noise as you describe it were Jeff's desire. He was heavily into working with Jim O'Rourke and looking to do something more avant garde (the best way I can boil it down) and was obsessed with the Conet Project, the military code signals.

Jeff was tapping into a feeling of loss on YHF...a loss of place, of space and of personality (my opinion)...Jay could have easily made Summerteeth 2 if it weren't for Jeff's artistic vision.

feel free to close this one - if there is a benefit we can start a new one. he isn't returning my calls anyways, so I don't know what the likelihood of one happening is.

okay - to address this infamous scene in that film.

You can tell Jay is one of those people who gets so involved in what he's doing he can't see past what he's thinking sometimes. He's an incredibly smart guy and, as he freely admits in the Greg Kot book, someone with some emotional issues. Sometimes we can all argue points stronger than may need to be argued or feel we need to make ourselves clear if we feel someone's not understanding what they're saying. It's not hard to get wrapped up in something and not know how to get out of it.

I think that this is what happened in that scene.

Now, is it possible this sort of thing happened enough to wear thin? Most likely. I think the key problem with Jay leaving the band has more to do with him stepping in as engineer on YHF than anything. He freely admits that the band members were a bit resentful of him taking too much control. The problem is this, how did that door get opened to allow him to do so?

It's a common problem with Wilco in earlier years that communication was beyond poor. Ignoring problems was easier than confronting them head on to resolve them before they became bigger problems. If someone were to have pulled Jay aside before the recording of YHF and said that he can't engineer the album as well as write on it and perform on it, he may still even be in the band. But that's not the case and now we're where we're at.

Mind you this is all my opinion based off of all of my accumulative reading about the band. None of this even comes from discussions I've had with any of the band members at any time.

Yeah, I'm just being a little paranoid like I said earlier.

dave kingman i believe.

that was my second guess

Is your avatar John Sayles in a Cubs uniform?

How about the other way around? That works even better.

I think, to use a gambling term, it's a push.

I think they both benefited from each other extremely. But that relationship obviously ran its course.

"Is that a camel?"

isn't it a dromedary?

I just think there was a way of dealing with being kicked out of this band overall in the past 8 years that could have been better. I think the slagging in the press, no matter the truth and now this lawsuit are just the wrong moves to have made.

Like I said, if the unpaid royalties thing is 100% legitimate, I do not understand suing Jeff directly. I like Jay a lot, but this doesn't make much sense. I'm not a lawyer and I don't claim to know shit about shit, but if someone was supposed to dole out royalties it wouldn't be the co-songwriter. Plus, the idea that Jeff was a producer on "IATTBYH" is perplexing as well.

Whatever I was planning to do to help is probably going to be adversely affected by this as now people close to both parties will have to, perhaps, choose a side. Plus, forget about extending any sort of an olive branch to Jeff and the other Wilco guys in lieu of this. The only thing I can see maybe still happening is that, should the band be inducted into the R'nR HoF in 11+ years, Jay gets invited to show up and be onstage with them.

I'm nauseous about this whole thing. Truly.

I know that Bennett & Burch didn't get a dime from Undertow for "The Palace at 4 AM" ... maybe they're next? LoL.

Jay Bennett - musical attorney!

What I'm not understanding is if he's truly suing Jeff. Why not the publishing company, the management or the label(s)?

I know it's not him that set this up to go this exact way, that it's most likely an attorney of some sort, but it sounds more than a little odd that Jeff is singled out.

Unless the sad state of newspapers has gotten so sad that it's becoming like that movie "Idiocracy" and everyone's got the story wrong.

I think I can only laugh about at this point. The timing couldn't be more perfect.

He spoke to me years ago about doing something like this, saying he was not fully compensated for this or that...I just assumed that it had been cleared up one way or another by now.

Do you think Jeff will stop performing any songs co-written by Jay now? Out of spite, that's what I'd do. But I'm an angry little bugger.