sweetheart-mine

do you all know or have an idea of what jeff tweedy means by "happening stone" in "patient"? i'm listening to sbs every day (tinnitus therapy!), and it's about the only thing that i can't figure out for myself. so far.

actually it's on some obscure list of "The 40 Most Awesomely Bad Breakup Songs." it's only #39, though, so can't be too bad.

yes, that was almost my opinion, but there was no should in it, if you'll take another look, which means it was an opinion. isn't every post anyone ever writes just an opinion? that's how i take them. doesn't mean a person can't or shouldn't counter another opinion with one's own. it's okay, don't worry, really, it's okay!

indeed it is. i just thought a broader comparison might be in order, and could have chosen about 10,000 other songs that would have served as well as (or in your case better than) "total eclipse." actually, "shake it off" is one of those songs i feel very differently about when it comes to music vs lyrics. i don't care too much for the music itself, but love several lyrics sections, such as: sunlight angles on a wooden floor at dawn a ceiling fan is on chopping up my dreams so i listen for your lips to break apart into words somewhere there's a war sometimes there is art so many

IYHO. "total eclipse of the heart" was a terrible song. that makes "shake it off" only so-so for those who don't like it. IMHO.

you skipped the show on purpose? i HAD to skip the show, after finally getting a ticket, and was heartbroken. i can understand why a few might not want "trite" love songs from jeff tweedy (or anyone). but where have you heard the SBS ones before? many of them may be love songs, but they're hardly trite. as for "pandering," no way. did you listen to the interviews in the dvd? this is what he felt and experienced, not what he thinks others wanted to hear. listen to him speak about it before throwing the label "pandering" at him. i think your reading is way off, but you're welcome to it

well i can't figure out how to get the original quote included above. damn my low-tech-ness sometimes! anyway, i too noticed (just a few days ago) the irony of not completely liking "What Light." my least favorite line of SBS is in that song, yet i love that the point of the song goes beyond the dislike of any particular line or whatever. "just sing what you feel, don't let anyone say it's wrong." whether one likes the song overall or not, i've gotta love the basic message, which can't be eradicated by any sort of so-so or highfalutin opinion or review. the message is built-in, and

very true, that's a great line. also i've noticed that the music jerks rhythmically around the line "shake it off" -- sounds literally like something being shaken off. it's clever, no doubt about it. but i skip listening to it unless i'm in a claustrophobic tense mood and need to shake it off. which means: it doesn't get skipped all that much in my house!

another agree-er here. at first there were 3 or so favorite songs i'd mention from SBS. now, with all the listening i'm doing, all of these have to be put in the favorites category: either way you are my face impossible germany sky blue sky side with the seeds please be patient with me hate it here what light on and on and on

well said, well said! keep on with the coffee!

thanks very much, lamrod. you all here manage to keep me entertained no matter what! so i appreciate this place in numerous ways.

interesting that this topic comes up right now. i've been having a hard time with 24/7 tinnitus, to the point where i became afraid to listen to music at all. it's so important to me, though, that i couldn't accept letting it go out of my reach psychologically. starting a couple of weeks ago i've been trying a "music protocol" designed to work your way back to tolerating sound through music AND being able to focus on the music despite your tinnitus. it involves listening to one cd every single day, beginning with a very low volume the first week and then slowly moving the volume up eve

watching jeff in the nudie suit, she probably assumed she was hallucinating due to lack of sleep.

i think it's a universal experience, conscious or not, because i've never known anyone -- no matter how extroverted -- who didn't need, on some level, to be alone at times, to feel true solitude and aloneness, even if for just a moment. could be any of a variety of reasons: some kind of "centering" need, or replenishing, or re-learning of self-reliance, or relationship fatigue even if the relationship is as right as one can be, not because of the person you're with but because life is so fast and reflection by oneself, alone with your thoughts, so elusive.

not goofy. i'd say he's a unique combination of vulnerable, "cool," ironic, raw, warm, organic, brilliant, shy, and almost always ambivalent. and because he's a genuine poet, sexy is a part of it. "cute" is too small for what he is, i'm afraid.

yah, but that's the thing: the honesty, let's face it. i think most humans, whether subconsciously or consciously, "dream" that now and then, even (or maybe especially?) about people they love. we are all crowded by the people we love sometimes, even when we'd never actually choose to be without them. this is a perfect example of why i think jeff's lyrics are way above and beyond the call of duty or whatever. he says things that are in most hearts for a moment or a year or a lifetime -- he says the things people are afraid of, but he trusts enough that the humane and open part of a p

or bakers.

this thread is irresistible. nels: circus animal trainer mikael: bank teller who writes poetry on the side pat: ray davies, extra stoned john: utility "wizard of oz" character glenn: a three-musketeers candy bar jeff: funky-antiques dealer who can't stay in his shop and must do flea markets to stay sane

i'm certainly with you there. there's only one little line in his entire songwriting career that i'm not crazy about -- but even if there were a hundred (no way possible, but just imagining), his is THE most interesting, dynamic, riveting, poignant, imperfectly beautiful voice i've ever heard. he could sing "ring around the rosie" and make me love it, but fortunately his lyrical and musical poetry live up to his voice.

these ones kevin suggests are great. i ordered some last time he posted about them and i can highly recommend too. thank you kevin!

atypical dyslexia, you've got there.

okay, i'm not particularly fond of this thread (although i think it's proving to have not much power), but that is the Only Line i can think of that has made me cringe a bit. i'm not sure why. it sounds kind of late '60s or early '70s, which personally i'd expect to relate to due to the time of my coming of age. and it wouldn't bother me, except that it reminds me a little of the small slice of that era that embarrasses for reasons i don't know so far, and also somehow it doesn't seem to fit with the rest of the song. most of the song seems to me to be topical in a universal, timeless

"the drunks / were ricocheting" but that's what drunks do, inside and out, and no one says it like jeff does here. it's a picture. it's a snapshot taken by someone who sees (and remembers from a more innocent time), of someone who most people for god knows how long have ignored, or dismissed, or not paid attention to in some way that they themselves maybe would even have benefited from. (maybe.) a metaphor of one of thousands of versions of past or present reality, you know? i mean, it doesn't even necessarily have to be a drunk person. it could also be a person in the middle of

i agree -- it's one of my favorite lines on SBS.

yikes! sorry for length, people.