ChooChooCharlie

My kids are 21 and 22 now. Money would have made things easier, but we did fine without it. My ex was a lousy mother, skipping Christmas and birthday presents most years and rarely having any contact with the kids. Not 'owing' her anything because of support payments made things easier.

Sounds like peace of mind was worth a lot more than any payment. One great dad beats two lousy parents any day, which is what so many kids have to contend with.

In my case, I asked the judge about requiring my kids' mother to pay support and was told, "Just be happy you received custody." I doubt a judge would ever say that to a woman.

Wow, that sucks man, and I agree with your doubt. Depending on your personal circumstances, you should really consider an appeal -- or, since child support orders (or lack thereof) are modifiable and can therefore be challeneged in other jurisidictions (if you can get jurisdiction in another state). (disclaimer: I am a lawyer, but this is only casual advice....)

I caught it man.

good good -- no intent to offend (and carry on watching the game)

Actually, my marriage was terminated.

you were saying men don't have the right to choose about terminating a pregnancy, so the joke was that she didn't give you the choice to watch the game.....sorry, thought you'd like that one actually.....

Bobbob is not a Republican, as far as I know. And he's right - Michael Moore is a distorting, disingenuous blowhard.

See: Independent/Democratic Anger Management . Sorry, again, no link.

I'm not all that clear myself. I was hoping for the same. His comment on it in the speech seemed, shall I say 'nebulous'. I'll look it up on the world wide world, but meanwhile maybe someone who knows will sound off?

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/immigration/

I raised both of my children from infancy to adulthood by myself. Without a dime of support from their mother. Tens of thousands of men have done the same.

 

Women are not the only members of the species with the parenting instinct.

Ya know, I thought there might be one man in the history of time who has done that. Well done sir.

Obama on Immigration? Whatcha think?

I think its clear he should be allowed to become an American citizen.

why aren't you watching the game.

because his wife won't give him the choice.

now i have a ballgame to watch. it starts in two minutes.

So because a male can not biologically conceive (no fault of his own, mind you) he automatically gives up any say in whether his offspring comes to full term or not? Seems reasonable.

"Just when I think I'm out, THEY PULL ME BACK IN!!!"

"birth control for a woman is also a choice." yes, although there's a big difference: every single birth control method for a woman is invasive, some more seriously than others. all a man has to do is pop on a condom.

As a penis-carrying member of the male gender, I can't think of anything more invasive than wearing a condom ...........(except maybe mood swings, weight gain........oh, and carrying a baby in your body).

i hear you, but it's mccain's fault for picking an anti-abortionist female as his running mate. don't worry, it'll die down soon. i for one have only about 6 things to say about it, and they seem to be over with.

fair enough. i'm cool with blaming the old man.

Why do all political debates have to end up at the dead end topic of abortion? Its one of many important issues and also the one issue 99.9% of people will never change their minds about -- especially during an emotional discussion on a music message board.

I miss the days (hours) of reading inappropriately sexist comments about Sarah Palin, and debating which of two inexperienced politicians have the least experience. Care-free, happier times, and gas only cost $4.10/gallon.

Surprise of the election: michael Moore is still a fucking piece of shit.

See: Republican Anger Management . Couldn't find the link for a class near you, sorry man.

we had TOTS!

I wanna hang out with you. Next time you get married I expect an invite.

I kid because I love. CONGRATS!

I said some of the men I know. Not all the men in the universe. And sorry, but some men don't realize what the bigger issue is concerning abortion, keeping government off your body. Again, I said from my experience, not yours.

I acknoledged in my post you were referring to your experience, but the implication is broader than that. And some men (and women) probably don't agree with you that the bigger issue is keeping government off your body, so maybe that's why they don't "realize it," as if it were fact. Overall, I agree with your statements about retaining negative liberty in regard to our bodies, but disagree that concern is the "bigger issue" in regard to abortion.

BTW -- ty for the links on Palin's evolution stance, that was informative and basically answered the question I had hoped for in future debates.

How hard is SNL trying to get Tina Fey to rejoin the cast right now?

Fer sure -- she wouldn't have to rejoin, but I'd put money on some guest appearances.

A belief in evolution and the science behind it and a belief in a creator are not mutually exclusive. Evolution does not explain how life began.

Creationism and evolution are mutually exclusive. That was my point. I never referenced how life began. And although there may not be a consensus, many proponents of evolution do theorize how life began.

To be fair, I don't think we can translate that as "screw the earth." There's nothing in that passage that suggests members can't be environmentally-minded. In fact, it sounds like members should be concerned with the environment--as long as spiritual matters remains their first priority.

Yeah, I'm a left-leaning independent (pretty far left actually), and I found nothing outrageous about the quotes from Palin's church. The 2nd coming of Jesus is a pretty commonly held belief in our society -- I read those quotes waiting for the wacky radical Christian line, but it never came -- so I fail to see what warrants all the reactions. I do, however, hope they ask her if she believes in evolution at the debates. We need an administration that acknowledges the existence of science.

I'm ok with someone being pro-life, just not ok with anyone wanting to overturn Roe vs Wade. Don't know if that applies to her or not, but It does for McCain. Eventually his goal is to end abortion in the US.

 

I'm with you on that one. Most men I know could care less on this issue. It's not just a woman's issue.

That's a pretty widespread indictment of the male gender. Most men I know do care about abortion, despite some women saying it is none of their business. Since it takes two to procreate, I agree its not just a woman's issue -- and I would bet the majority of men agree, and care more than your anecdotal sample would suggest.

I had a conversation with a friend of mine not long ago who is a huge wilco fan and a huge Being There fan. Basically I explained that SBS is better than both BT and ST

by quality alone. I concluded by saying I would admit that if this lineup recorded 12 songs from being there the same way that they made SBS it might be a better record.

That speaks to the qualities of BT which are not in doubt.

The strength of BT was the lack of cohesion and organic creation of music that happened with that specific lineup -- at that specific point in their lives. I highly doubt I would like the record half as much if a different lineup or fashion of recording was employed. I think SBS is a good record, but strongly disagree that it is better than BT and ST. The tension in those two albums created some of Wilco's best moments.

But even though SBS is my second-least favorite Wilco album, I still enjoy it, and I'm glad they went that direction. I think it was a healthy progression for them as a band. Like the buildup in Kidsmoke, sometimes great albums require patience and build-up moments before the payoff. I think SBS is excellent foundation for a more experimental record -- much like A.M. and BT were foundational for ST, YHF, and AGiB.

Duh, all she has to do is ask DIck Cheney, the VP Runss the damend country!

As long as she consults the Constitution before and after that meeting.......

i don't think it that's the point though. what he can criticize is the mccain endorsed message that obama isn't ready because of experieince. big difference. if anything, it looks flip-floppy...and i thought the republican crowd hates bot the flipping and the flopping?

 

it's also what, real or not, creates the air of very little else than tokenism based on his original stance that experience = ability to lead.

Its about credibility. She does give him some good ol' "impeachment insurance" though. Too bad he has to get elected first.

So the Governor of Alaska likes the fact that Obama supports a pipeline in her state. Disagrees with his windfall tax proposal. And wishes to know more about the VP job before accepting the post.

 

Yes, quite damning.

Ah -- I believe I said "intriguing" not "damning." Its intriguing that while being considered for a VP position for Republicans, she would make a public statement saying ANYTHING in support of Obama in the same month as the VP selection. And personally, I find it very intriguing that McCain's Vice President pick doesn't know what a vice president does. Sounds highly relevant to me, considering that's the job she wants to be elected for.

She gotta be better than Romney. I think the logic may have been she brings the social conservatism Romney would have brought without any of the negatives of Mitt.

True, and I can definitely see that. Other side is Romney helps greatly in Michigan and on the economy. I've personally never been able to take him seriously though. Maybe McCain couldn't either.

Solace -- has Obama hired you yet? He really should. Two great posts (see vid on other page). The news channels don't offer anything half as intriguing.

FWIW, your wife and I are in total agreement. It's pretty obvious why she was chosen.

If the McCain camp thinks Hillary Clinton supporters will support an inexperienced, pro-life, gun-toting, beauty queen -- then they fatally miscalculated (for the record, I don't personally think any of those things are terribly important, particularily the last -- but others will). I think the McCain camp is smarter than that, and the choice was more likely to shore up staunch conservative support that was apprehensive to trust McCain.

Overall, I think it will prove to be a daring, but poor choice. McCain needs help in the eastern midwest (Indiana, Mich., Penn., Ohio) and economic credibility. Palin offers neither of those, and undercuts McCain's #1 criticism of Obama -- experience. I do, however, think she will fare far better in the debates with Biden than people think. Its all an expectations game (see: intellecutually challenged Bush besting the formidable Al Gore in 2000 debates in the court of public opinion).

Looks great. I'm looking for something unique though. Specifically, a guitar that teaches me how to play it. Will pay retail.

"Who's the first pick? Me - word is bornin. Not Christian Laettner. Not Alonzo Mourning". Pure Poetry.

I agree. While SBS touches the heart and sensibilities a bit, ST attacks you with a range of emotions.

Fer sure. SBS's lyrics are consistently solid, but ST's lyrics are absolutely devastating at times. Jar and Via Chicago are standouts, but I also think Candyfloss ("bitter diamond drunks") is overlooked and too easily dismissed (maybe b/c its hidden : ).

I completely agree and would also rank them lyrically the same way except for the SBS and ST swap.

Half the reason AGIB is my favorite Wilco album, and half the reason Wilco is one of my favorite bands is because of lyrical excellence. There really are very few outstanding lyricists out there who also put out quality music.