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when I first discovered that darkstar I stayed up until 4 am with it on repeat..... That was a memorable night.....

And you were on how many micrograms??

I saw them in Grant Park this year during the Taste and you can read my review on my blog at lastwaltzer.blogspot.com as I say in the review it felt like a greatest hits show not a band activley trying to take their music somehwere.

Yeah i'm gonna enter this conversation and say Go To Heaven and Shakedown are not must owns. At this point the dead were no good in the studio times changed in the way of recording records and instead of doing what they do and putting it to tape they tried to go with the times.

As for must own studio dead albums everything up until Blues For Allah. But really Anthem To The Sun, AMOXOXOXOMA (OR WHAT EVER THE FUCK IT IS) Workingmans Dead,American Beauty and Blues To Allah are great "ALBUMS". I'd leave the rest of my listening to live shows.

Anyone catching the Phil tour this fall?

Happy Birthday Jeff!

anyone have a link for chrome dreams?

Yeah, I saw a few last summer, and as great as Barry is on the pedal steel I wish they would have turned him loose on the 6 string for some of the jammier stuff. That guy kills me.

there was one night in chicago. They did When The Star Goes Blue>Blue Sky with nelson on lead

their was also the fall tour he played lead on a six.

"How 'Bout You" is an excellent tune: great beat, decent lyrics, and some damn fine pickin'.

 

I've got no beef with the "jamgrass" bands utilizing technology or trying their hand at varying styles (the trance-like stuff with SCI...they were huge at Burninhg Man, I've heard). I'd also argue that SCI is /was still relevant up to the end due to their popularity and respect garnered on them by old-timers who've been around for awhile lauding them.

 

But yes, it is all a matter of opinion anyway, so....

SCI is def. relevant to a certin audience. I just don't do the trance thing; again prefrence.

As for Yonder I wont tell anyone don't experiment I just don't think their music has gotten any better for it. Their def. a good band and a lot of fun. It's just not where im gonna get my musical fix. THe new album isn't bad but I don't think its what their best at and I think it was a an attempt for a radio friendly track. Their is some good picking but I just perfer Old and In the Way or John Hartford for newgrass (but i guess they aren't to new anymore).

Bela Fleck is a great example of someone pushing the envelope and still making great music (arugably the best music of his career).

Here's where I get up on my soapbox to proclaim the virtues of the David Nelson Band (again ). Nelson, a co-founder of NRPS, really digs into the Americana thing better than anyone currently out there. A scattering of GD tunes (really, only the ones he had a hand in) plus alot of his own material (quite a few of which were co-written with Robert Hunter) & many many songs that go way back to Appalachia & jigs & reels. Barry Sless is a fabulous guitarist w/o being a slavish Garcia imitator. These guys can stretch tunes out but I'd hardly lump them into the jamband category.

 

Ok, enough of me preachin'!

Love david nelson

Did you see any of the phil shows with Sless in the band?

Noted. (still not sure I was deserving of the digital slap, but eh, whatever)

 

I can understand if you're defensive about lumping the GD in with the current crop of jambands, and yet I'm not sure where else you'd lump them (if, indeed, lumping is what one was looking to do...which I'm not...but, eh, nevermind). I was really just joking around.

as was i. Once a prankster always a prankster!

The grateful dead might be the best example of americana. They took rock/blues/soul/country/folk/bluegrass and of course a healty dose of JAZZ and made their own thing which has yet to be replicated.

Haven't been to a SCI show in a few years and I'm sure there's still plenty of drug use but the tunes were what mattered and I still think their tunes/playing were pretty accomplished and relevant. Granted they did stray from their original focus of traditional/progressive Bluegrass but why wouldn't they?

 

YMSB: Have you heard their latest album? Go to archives and download/stream some stuff of theirs in the last year, too. Not sure where you're getting the "much more 'poppy'" take. They're definitely still in the Bluegrass vein, imo.

 

I've seen RE a few times and while they're a decent band I don't get the hype for them.

I had their latest album and tossed it. "How bout you" comes to mind right away/ They've started using effects peddles and I just feel its lost some of the bluegrass feel.

Cheese was relevant back when they started but try finding that bonnaroo set its like they repeat the same 4 bars over and over but then again some people like trance.

As for RRE I love their songwriting. They lyrics have a lot more depth and stand up on their own. The member are all great soloists. I saw them recently at summer fest and they blew me away. Same with that 10lkf show which im sure couldbe found on the net. I think RRE works in a jam setting and in a regular bluegrass setting.

But again its all a matter of opionion.

I just can't do the trance. Thats why i loved the dead its more jazz then these other groups.

btw: where does your sig. quote come from?

I take back my comments i just read back a few pages and this is a childish pissing contest

Ryan adams plays alt-country there for it could be interperted that he sounds like GP, as well as a slew of others.

Most artists today aren't inovators their interpreters. Ryan adams is def and interpreter and he is great at it. So this album is lack luster and doesnt bring anything new to his sound ( were as the other albums show he bringing in more influnces). oh well!!

Lets move on everybody and talk about something else jeez

can we all agree to disagree?/?

NO MORE BUSINESS

i'm not gonna read this book of a thread but I know somewhere in here i posted my review of the album.

I thought it sucked compared to his other efforts so "What Light?" your not the only one.

oh and mindofpelosi that lead track off of 29 is not a tasteful rip off of the grateful dead's "Trucking" its preety obivious. So i wouldnt be suprised to find he's ripped off others

Wow, a Cheese thread. And I thought we were pushing it with all the Grateful Dead threads around here lately!

Digital Slap!

The grateful dead are not a jam band! They never have been and never will be!

These bands SCI, WSP,STS9, DB, Umph. those are jambands.

Cheese used to be decent in the mid 90's when they were still bluegrassy then they started to get all techno-ish in their jams.

But this scene has turned into nothing more then a place to foster drugs addicts. Try going to a festival now and its just a bunch of kids who are running rampent on E and dont even give a rats ass about the music.

Even Yonder has gone much more poppy in the last year.

Sorry to rain on the parade. I'm glad Cheese went out with a bang but I'm glad Nershi will be making some real music. I saw him sit in with Railroad earth at 10lkf last year and it was awesome!

If you guys like bluegrass and the dead you need to check out Railroad earth they are the best thing the scene has to offer.

I love the logic behind these requests. Its a charity show so we get more?!?!?!?!

If the band wants to take requests they'll take em. I highly doubt Jeff is at home taking notes or saying "Boys looks like their not gonna be happy unless we play a reagge verison of "Box Full of Letters"

I'm preety sure its in site policy not to post offical releases like that.

I don't really care but honestly if your gonna steal music steal it from someone who doesnt need the money.

2003 (dead realted shows that is). I'm a youngin.

I got to cath "The dead" once in 03 and twice in 04 and have seen ratdog 10 or so times and about the same for phil

RA does a decent job on it, but yeah....

 

The last GD show I attended (Giant's Stadium summer '95 first night) Garcia had no idea what he was doing the first few minutes of the tune. It was a seriously heavy/sad/depressing moment.

When did you start seeing shows?

i think i caught 6 phil shows last summer wanting to hear this tune and i didnt get it until i saw ryan adams play a cover; good but not the same thing

Show is still going if anyone is intrested has been great so far.

Set One: Jam>Cassidy>Stagger Lee>Birdsong>Shade of Grey>Hell In A Bucket>Lost Sailor>Saint Of Circumstance>Don't Ease Me In

On The Road read by McNalley

Set Two: On The Road@, Mexicali Blues@

what!

i was under the same impression. MY girlfriend said she though they wouldnt sell them at that price sure enough she was right but ive herd airlines have gotten screwed by these type of makes.

I wish dylan would semi-retire. Ive seen im about 15 times now and although i still have fun he has lost it since larry left the band. I wish he be more like tom waits at this point occasionaly doing shows that are highly inspired.

I think someone over on the ratdog board taped it ill post it here if it circulates.

Cassidy opener nice. Id say The Other One is def. coming in the second set.

anyone else streaming this?

Bob's stories about Neal were very funny. i've read most of them before but it was funny hearing them straight from the source.

And so on with the show

Never really liked the cheese wizz accident. Though I have seen them four or five times at differnt festivals and such.

The only reason I'm posting though is to let folks know there is a cheese Wilco connection

At wakarusa in 2004 both band headlined and Cheese played a late night set following Wilco's. During Wilco's st somebody came up to the front (The vip section was seperate from the rest of the crowd) they person shouted up to Jeff "WHO ARE YOU?" and if i rember correctly jeff said wilco and the person replied they were looking for cheese and then jeff made some remark about wilco not being cheese. Someone with the bootleg will have to quote it. Also if anyone has a copy of that wilco show i'd apperiate it. I lost it when my hard drive crashed.