cryptique Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 You've gotten so defensive about this album that you'll never see why lots of us aren't impressed by it. Perhaps we ought to just end this now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 I like Prairie Wind myself. I don't know how good or bad this is, but now I am curious to hear this thing. Its just after the "bite my neck song"; whenever I hear that I think, damn here she is talking about John Coltrane, I could be LISTENING to John Coltrane instead of this shit!!! LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheMaker Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 How is it "lazy"? I mean, people bashed on Neil Young's Prairie Wind because the music and lyrics all sounded so simple. Are you saying it's like something along those lines? I would personally much rather hear lyrics like these, sort of homespun and direct, than anything that many curent hot bands pass off as lyrics. Hey, I liked Prairie Wind. And WWT is my favourite of all Lu's albums. No foolin'. West is just lousy, end of story. It's been suggested that maybe you're being overly defensive. All I'm asking is that you take a step back and ask yourself, honestly, if you'd categorize the following set of lyrics as "homespun" or "fucking stupid": "I shudder to thinkWhat it would meanIf the president wore pinkOr if a prostitute was queen" "If dogs became kingsAnd the pope chewed gumAnd hobos had wingsAnd God was a bum" I mean, Jesus. To quote Greil Marcus, "What is this shit?" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 When did everyone agree to start calling her Lu? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 I think her friends and 25 ex-boyfriends call her that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Littlebear Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 And on Essence there is a track printed BLUE on the back cover. I understand being defensive about Lucinda's new album. The fact much people don't like it doesn't mean it must force everyone to face the fact it may be bad or uneven. So much people can be wrong together, you know. I have got the album two days ago but haven't given it a spin yet. What I know is I don't care much of the lyrics, to some extent. For me, it's 90% in the voice. If the voice doesn't work, then the whole thing doesn't work. Or it may have a balance. Lucinda used to have the perfect balance (voice,music, lyrics). I'll listen to West as early as I'm in the mood. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Littlebear Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 I finally started to listen to this album: people, you're crazy! This album is a MASTERPIECE! This is the album Lucinda needed to make for years now. It's the real Lucinda, tender, moody, physical, sensual. This music holds you tenderly tight from start to finish. Pure beauty! THANK YOU LUCINDA!! I love you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 "I shudder to thinkWhat it would meanIf the president wore pinkOr if a prostitute was queen" "If dogs became kingsAnd the pope chewed gumAnd hobos had wingsAnd God was a bum" I mean, Jesus. To quote Greil Marcus, "What is this shit?" Maybe not great, but no worse than anything from "Living With War" or most of Tom Petty's recent material. I heard one song on XM the other day and thought it sounded good. I don't know what song it was. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 I finally started to listen to this album: people, you're crazy! This album is a MASTERPIECE!Now I really have to hear this.....Car Wheels is a masterpiece; I find it hard to believe this is also. (Anyone want to bite my neck and give me John Coltrane???? ) LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Littlebear Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Now I really have to hear this.....Car Wheels is a masterpiece; I find it hard to believe this is also. (Anyone want to bite my neck and give me John Coltrane???? ) LouieB My point: West avoids all what scared me on world Without Tears: it's musically tasty, perfectly produced, more away from alt.country cliches. If you know the music of Matthew Ryan for example, I'd say it's closer to that kinf of stuff. It's strictly the sensual Lucinda. Like a more American Cat Power. It's like Essence, but more rich and focused, it keeps the same qualities of flow. Car Wheels may be a masterpiece as a collection of songs, but it doesn't have the perfect flow of a whole album. To boot, it might have got old with years, production included. West is the real Lucinda (or if you prefer what she "is now"), what she wanted to make for years now. She really needed to get away from the Car Wheels sticker. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 West is the real Lucinda, what she wanted to make for years now.Apparently I prefer the "fake" Lucinda. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Littlebear Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Apparently I prefer the "fake" Lucinda. see my little correction above Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 My point: West avoids all what scared me on world Without Tears: it's musically tasty, perfectly produced, more away from alt.country cliches. If you know the music of Matthew Ryan for example, I'd say it's closer to that kinf of stuff. It's strictly the sensual Lucinda. Like a more American Cat Power. It's like Essence, but more rich and focused, it keeps the same qualities of flow. Car Wheels may be a masterpiece as a collection of songs, but it doesn't have the perfect flow of a whole album. To boot, it might have got old with years, production included. West is the real Lucinda (or if you prefer what she "is now"), what she wanted to make for years now. She really needed to get away from the Car Wheels sticker.This is clearly a joke!! Again I haven't heard it so I certainly can't say how good or bad it is, but what exactly is the problem with the older Lucinda???? Why does she have to be an American Cat Power (Cat Power IS American by the way!!!) What was wrong wtih Car Wheels? The production, musicianship, songwriting, etc is excellent and has aged well. So well that they have decided to release MORE of it so all the fans will buy it twice. As others have said, what was wrong with Lucinda before? The Koch album and the Rough Trade albums are excellent as well. (The one Folkways album I have is okay, but not as good as the more mature stuff..) Essence was good, World Without Tears had problems (go ahead, bite my neck if you want...) What alt.country cliches are we talking about here? As usual if you want to rip someone it is easy to call them alt.country, but since I like that stuff dissing it won't work with me. (Anyone who dismisses country music in general is ignorant and knows nothing about "American" music anyway ....!!) LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Littlebear Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 LouieB, there isn't any trouble with the older Lucinda, I'm a big fan... the only trouble *may* be about Car Wheels fanatics West isn't a new Car Wheels? Well, for the better! It's another kind of masterpiece to me, Lucinda Williams (the 88 album) was a masterpiece, too and West is, too - I don't mind much the punches critics give to the lyrics for example I don't see what's wrong about saying "bite my neck and play John Coltrane" With Lu it's all about the music, the voice, the moods, the feelings she gives to us At least I can certainly say to you that I'm not a fan of Car Wheels "for the lyrics" I'm afraid it's not useful to keep on explaining, I think my post was clear and fair, but you won't need to get my point anyway... Oh, and may I add that I'm a big fan of country music... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 for example I don't see what's wrong about saying "bite my neck and play John Coltrane"Nothins is particularly wrong with it, its just kinda stupid....but what do I know, it appears to be her biggest hit single ever.....LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Littlebear Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Nothins is particularly wrong with it, its just kinda stupid.... Why? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Why?You don't have to proveYour manhood to me constantlyI know you're the man can't you seeI love you Righteously Why you wanna dis meAfter the way you been kissin' meAfter those pretty things you sayAnd the love we made today When you run your handAll up and run it back down my legGet excited and bite my neckGet me all worked up like that Think this throughI laid it down for you everytimeRespect me I give you what's mineYou're entirely way too fine Arms around my waistYou get a taste of how good this can beBe the man you ought to tenderlyStand up for me Flirt with me don't keep hurtin' meDon't cause me painBe my lover don't play no gameJust play me John Coltraine Nuff said.... LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
owl Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 I'm sure that Lucinda, being the daughter of a respected poet, would say that lyrics are one of the most important parts of her work. It's one reason why she's so acclaimed. It is a bad thing for her to put out an album with mediocre lyrics. By the way, if you "don't listen to lyrics," does it mean that you don't hear good lyrics either?). On another side note, I'm expecting Sky Blue Sky to be lyrically similar (a.k.a. bland) to West. Prove me wrong fellas! Good music is nothing without good lyrics, unless it's instrumental. Otherwise, it's just annoying, like being patronized. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
owl Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Here are the Car Wheels outtakes (FLAC) for anyone interested: http://download.owlandbear.com/lucinda-wil...wheels_outtakes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mjpuczko Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 righteously was the reason i couldn't get into lucinda for quite some time. that song is awful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 righteously was the reason i couldn't get into lucinda for quite some time. that song is awful.Glad someone agrees with me....sadly this is what alot of people heard, mainly on the radio. It is hardly indicitive of her actual body of work fortunately, but yea, its pretty terrible. LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mjpuczko Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 luckily i got beyond that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leo Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 luckily i got beyond that. Yeah, because WWT is a great album. Right there with S/T, Car Wheels, and Essence. Those Three Days is one of the most honestly brutal songs I've ever heard. She conveys the dichotomy that is "love" as well as anyone. Have not yet heard West but, really, how bad can it be? She's a treasure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Littlebear Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Glad someone agrees with me....sadly this is what alot of people heard, mainly on the radio. It is hardly indicitive of her actual body of work fortunately, but yea, its pretty terrible. LouieB I don't like this song much either, but because of the music, not the lyrics. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Littlebear Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 You don't have to proveYour manhood to me constantlyI know you're the man can't you seeI love you Righteously Why you wanna dis meAfter the way you been kissin' meAfter those pretty things you sayAnd the love we made today When you run your handAll up and run it back down my legGet excited and bite my neckGet me all worked up like that Think this throughI laid it down for you everytimeRespect me I give you what's mineYou're entirely way too fine Arms around my waistYou get a taste of how good this can beBe the man you ought to tenderlyStand up for me Flirt with me don't keep hurtin' meDon't cause me painBe my lover don't play no gameJust play me John Coltraine Nuff said.... LouieB That's not nuff said to me: I don't see how these lyrics can be so laughable or ridiculous. They express a feeling. Every people can feel that way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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