Analogman Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 My deal with these dudes is - for them, it is about fame, politics, money, and DEMANDING that others sign up for their trip. Or as Bono once said "The kind of God I believe in isn't short of cash, mister". If this guy, Benny Hinn, Pat Robertson, etc. had guns, they would be no different than David Koresh or Jim Jones. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I can totally understand why somebody could have little to no respect for the man...much like bobtothebob, I had none for him for the same reasons. He said some horrible things in the name of God and completely contradicted everything his faith is supposed to stand for. That said, to say someone deserved to die because you disagreed w/ their beliefs and they way they lived their life is pretty sad, whether you are doing so because they are gay or because they hated gays. You can act like he did or be a better person if you think it's so wrong. That's all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I can totally understand why somebody could have little to no respect for the man...much like bobtothebob, I had none for him for the same reasons. He said some horrible things in the name of God and completely contradicted everything his faith is supposed to stand for. That said, to say someone deserved to die because you disagreed w/ their beliefs and they way they lived their life is pretty sad, whether you are doing so because they are gay or because they hated gays. You can act like he did or be a better person if you think it's so wrong. That's all. I'm not sure I ever said he deserved to die. But I'm absolutely not sad about it, and the world is a better place with one less douchebag preaching to millions of people. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reni Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 yeah, I don't recall anyone saying that he "deserved" to die or had wished death upon him - maybe I missed something. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ction Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 If I wouldn't be stuck with it for 3 months, I'd totally change my screen name to "VC's conscience." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 If I wouldn't be stuck with it for 3 months, I'd totally change my screen name to "VC's conscience." I'll give you a dollar if you change your screen name to "VC's Bidet." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ction Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 That would actually go well under my avatar. P.S. Sorry for getting off topic, let's get back to paying our respects to Mr. Falwell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I don't wish death on anybody, but that doesn't mean I mourn everybody equally either. Am I happy he died? No. But I'm not sad either. It's just something that happened. He was a bad dude who's time came. When someone dies, people naturally evaluate what kind of life that person lived, and if Fallwell made the world a worse place, I don't see anything wrong with saying so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 That would actually go well under my avatar. P.S. Sorry for getting off topic, let's get back to paying our respects to Mr. Falwell. That effing d-bag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 yeah, I don't recall anyone saying that he "deserved" to die or had wished death upon him - maybe I missed something. 'good riddance'or 'one less douchebag' or whatever is no different. my point on taking a high road still stands...unless I missed something. I guess I find the double-standard fascinating. Sorry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 When someone dies, people naturally evaluate what kind of life that person lived, and if Fallwell made the world a worse place, I don't see anything wrong with saying so. Neither do I...but if part of the reason one feels he made the world a worse place was due to the things he said and the way he said them, you think they'd try and keep it based in some realm of civil discourse. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 'good riddance'or 'one less douchebag' or whatever is no different. my point on taking a high road still stands...unless I missed something. I guess I find the double-standard fascinating. Sorry. "Meaning An expression of pleasure on being rid of some annoyance - usually an individual.Melodramatic song by the pop/punk group Green Day." I guess you are right... I have been waiting weeks for him to die. Ask Reni. I imed her just the other day saying "I can't wait until Jerry Falwell dies so I can post about it on the internets". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beltmann Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Neither do I...but if part of the reason one feels he made the world a worse place was due to the things he said and the way he said them, you think they'd try and keep it based in some realm of civil discourse.I agree... if the reason Falwell was a bad guy was his lack of human decency, then it's hypocritical to respond to his death with a lack of human decency. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 P.S. Sorry for getting off topic, let's get back to paying our respects to Mr. Falwell.The Greatest American Hero Ever RIP Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I just personally don't find a few jokes to be all that indecent. Definately nowhere near the level blaming a group of people for a tragedy to score political points, or demonizing an entire segment of the population to raise one's own profile. IMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 so, you think there is a sliding scale and I think it's just as ugly...we agree to disagree. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I basically agree with Rain. I know personally that I don't feel like me saying "Good riddance" is indecent as, say, saying this about MLK Jr: "I do question the sincerity and non-violent intentions of some civil rights leaders such as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Mr. James Farmer, and others, who are known to have left-wing associations." The guy had zero redeeming qualities and I feel no remorse saying the same things about him in death as I said about him in life. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I basically agree with Rain. I know personally that I don't feel like me saying "Good riddance" is indecent as, say, saying this about MLK Jr: "I do question the sincerity and non-violent intentions of some civil rights leaders such as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Mr. James Farmer, and others, who are known to have left-wing associations." The guy had zero redeeming qualities and I feel no remorse saying the same things about him in death as I said about him in life. so, you think there is a sliding scale and I think it's just as ugly...we agree to disagree. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 so, you think there is a sliding scale and I think it's just as ugly[ I'm not sure that I'd say there's a scale exactly, but no, I don't think that all things that are not 100% pure and great are all equally bad, no. ...we agree to disagree. I can live with that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
M. (hristine Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 RIP Jerry, you hungry ghost. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Exactly. Some random asshat on a message board saying Jerry Falwell was an asshole is the same aa multimillionare preacher who got constant media coverage saying MLK was ingenuine in his quest for equality. Or that Gays, women and the ACLU are the reason crazy jihadist's from Saudi Arabia attacked America. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Exactly. Some random asshat on a message board saying Jerry Falwell was an asshole is the same aa multimillionare preacher who got constant media coverage saying MLK was ingenuine in his quest for equality. Or that Gays, women and the ACLU are the reason crazy jihadist's from Saudi Arabia attacked America. but you weren't just saying he was an asshole. As I said earlier, I agree that he was a horrible man for those same types of reasons...but how you use those things to rationalize taking solace in or justifying his death isn't in any better taste than shit he spouted off. you aren't just some random asshat either, that's a copout. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dude Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 but you weren't just saying he was an asshole. As I said earlier, I agree that he was a horrible man for those same types of reasons...but how you use those things to rationalize taking solace in or justifying his death isn't in any better taste than shit he spouted off. What does Kyle have to do with any of this??? Leave him out of it, please. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Edie Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 RIP Jerry, you hungry ghost. I think his stomach will be enormous and his throat the tiniest -- reflecting his insatiable appetite for his perceived justice and his teeny level of tolerance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I think his stomach will be enormous and his throat the tiniest -- reflecting his insatiable appetite for his perceived justice and his teeny level of tolerance.That's very Dante's Inferno. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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