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Aybar filled in at 2B while Kendrick was on the DL and did a fine job, batting over .300 and providing some speed. He'll never be a starter on this team but provides Scoscia with some speed off the bench and a late inning infield replacement at 3 infield positions. His #s aren't that impressive and he'll probably be seeing some action at AAA when Rivera returns, but he's been a good guy to have in the clubhouse and in the field. I'm shocked that a stat guy like you is measuring the OPS of a utility guy against wins.

 

Really. You are surprised a "Stats guy" is using stats to judge the value of a guy who has like 3/4 of the season's AB so far? He's had a lot of atbats for you so far, and he's been awful.

 

Again, I don't really care if the Angels stay hot, I just don't think it's likely. There are a lot more factors that point to them not continuing to stay hot than there are that they do continue. Lots of players performing over their career averages and projections, not to mention they are playing above their expected w/l based on runs scored (a nice fact that keeps being ignored). That says to me that they will probably cool off. Maybe. Like you said, I haven't been able to watch, but I garauntee you Orlando Cabrera will slow down. There is no way a 32 year old all of a sudden learns how to change his entire approach at the plate. The other two guys may be just improving entering their prime years, but Cabrera's just been lucky. His contact rate is fine, but he's not doing anything that points to him out OPSing his career average by 90 points at the age of 32. That screams fluke.

 

These same factors applied to the Red Sox when they got off to their crazy good start. They had a bunch of guys over performing, and they were outperforming their expected w/l. Now they have pretty much evened out, this is the team they are, pretty much. The Angels are going to even out and, guess what, they'll still probably win their division. I'm not saying they suck, but they are overperforming. It's pretty easy to see that, just like it was easy to see the Red Sox were overperforming (and possibly still are), and the Yankees were severely underperforming.

 

As for Stoneman not making any trades, thats a big reason why the Angels have been leage average on offense every single year since 2003 (minus this year, which I've gone over). You are telling me that you believe that if the Angels trade Brandon Wood and Ervin Santana to the Rangers for Mark Teixeira they are a worse team? The Angels are similar to the D-Rays in that they refuse to trade at any means, and it's causing the current problems they have now, with a logjam of guys in the outfield and middle infield who are worth more to them in a trade than they are on the bench or in triple A. Meanwhile, at the positions they have no depth at, they are screwed (currently, DH and 3B), because they have internal options. Having a ton of depth at SS is great, but if you can add a good 3B to replace your crap one by giving up your depth at SS, you should do it.

 

 

 

In other news: Did anyone see the collision at the plate between Justin Morneau and Miguel Olivo on Friday night? Olivo is a freaking beast. Morneau was running rull speed and Olivo just knocked him on his ass. Morneau's still in the hospital. Scary stuff.

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Really. You are surprised a "Stats guy" is using stats to judge the value of a guy who has like 3/4 of the season's AB so far? He's had a lot of atbats for you so far, and he's been awful.

 

OK, so it's not that surprising that you'd look at the #s of a utility to judge the quality of the team's play as a whole. Seriously, Aybar was a regular for a month and didn't play bad and he has received some pinch hit at bats, but he really hasn't played that much and won't see much more playing time at this level this season.

 

You are telling me that you believe that if the Angels trade Brandon Wood and Ervin Santana to the Rangers for Mark Teixeira they are a worse team?

 

Are you going to quote me on that? All I said was Stoneman doesn't trade his young talent. I'd love to have Teixeira but a)Stoneman won't trade prospects b. Texas probably wouldn't want to trade their best player to a division rival c) He'd have to DH as Kotchman appears to be a lock at 1B - he's really not a good fit unless he wants to give up his role as everyday 1st baseman, which I doubt he's willing to do. d) Texeira has let it be known that he'd like to play on the east coast - closer to his home in Maryland.

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OK, so it's not that surprising that you'd look at the #s of a utility to judge the quality of the team's play as a whole. Seriously, Aybar was a regular for a month and didn't play bad and he has received some pinch hit at bats, but he really hasn't played that much and won't see much more playing time at this level this season.

Are you going to quote me on that? All I said was Stoneman doesn't trade his young talent. I'd love to have Teixeira but a)Stoneman won't trade prospects b. Texas probably wouldn't want to trade their best player to a division rival c) He'd have to DH as Kotchman appears to be a lock at 1B - he's really not a good fit unless he wants to give up his role as everyday 1st baseman, which I doubt he's willing to do. d) Texeira has let it be known that he'd like to play on the east coast - closer to his home in Maryland.

 

My mentioning of Aybar had nothing to do with the team as a whole. I was mentioning as an aside that he's been spectacularly awful in a large number of at bats.

 

And you look at his refusal to trade prospect as a good thing? Teixeira was just an example, I'll go to the most recently mentioned two (according to a Ken Rosenthal article from today): Adam Dunn or Troy Glaus. Both make a lot of sense for the team (Glaus probably a little more) and both would probably cost about the same in prospects; probably Brandon Wood and a single A arm gets it done. Do you do that? Do you regret it if your GM doesn't do it? I would. Why? Because both of those players are absolutely better than any hitter you have except for Vlad. Both have performed at a high level for longer than half a season, which nobody but Vlad on your team can say. I say you have to make a deal for a bat if you want to make a serious run at it.

 

There's a reason the Angels have been rumored to be interested in all of these slugging corner infielders, and it's because they aren't sold on what they have. If Stoneman refuses to trade prospects, then he's hurting the team as a whole. You have to give value to get value.

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My mentioning of Aybar had nothing to do with the team as a whole. I was mentioning as an aside that he's been spectacularly awful in a large number of at bats.

 

"I've got to say, I love Erick Aybar's 144 at bats of .557 OPS. Holy crap, I'm honestly shocked you guys have as good a record as you do with that many at bats from him. Thats amazing, actually."

 

Are you sure you didn't say that?

 

And you look at his refusal to trade prospect as a good thing? Teixeira was just an example, I'll go to the most recently mentioned two (according to a Ken Rosenthal article from today): Adam Dunn or Troy Glaus. Both make a lot of sense for the team (Glaus probably a little more) and both would probably cost about the same in prospects; probably Brandon Wood and a single A arm gets it done. Do you do that? Do you regret it if your GM doesn't do it? I would. Why? Because both of those players are absolutely better than any hitter you have except for Vlad. Both have performed at a high level for longer than half a season, which nobody but Vlad on your team can say. I say you have to make a deal for a bat if you want to make a serious run at it.

 

I never said refusal to trade prospects was a good thing. I merely stated the fact that Bill Stoneman won't trade his prospects. I would love to have Glaus, Texeira, Dunn, etc. But it aint gonna happen. I've been one of many die hard Angel fans calling for a bat to protect Vlad for the past 3 seasons. The fact is I have given up hope for that because I know the philosophy of the front office and that it appears to them to be working. Are they right? We'll just have to wait and see.

 

There's a reason the Angels have been rumored to be interested in all of these slugging corner infielders, and it's because they aren't sold on what they have. If Stoneman refuses to trade prospects, then he's hurting the team as a whole. You have to give value to get value.

 

Agreed in part. I believe Kotchman is now starting to do what people expected to do. You must remember he has yet to play a full year of ball in the bigs and the expectations have been high. He is finally staring to look like the star he is expected to become. Stoneman does need to accept the idea that you need to trade value for value and eventually he will. I just hope he realizes it before it's too late.

 

This is a fun team to watch though. Run on contact, aggressive base running, getting in the pitchers' heads, all the while hititng in frenzies is pretty fun. Plus Vladimir Guerrero is the coolest guy in baseball. OK, there's no stat to prove that but you can't deny he's pretty F'in cool.

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"I've got to say, I love Erick Aybar's 144 at bats of .557 OPS. Holy crap, I'm honestly shocked you guys have as good a record as you do with that many at bats from him. Thats amazing, actually."

 

That was more of an afterthought than anything. I mean, thats like historically awful. I was mostly joking about being shocked.

 

 

And I definitely agree on Vlad. He's awesome. I loved him with the Expos. He was one of my favorite players. I remember watching a Braves Expos game and he hit an absolute bomb. They said it was 503 feet, but it was in the Dome, so it might've been even further. It bounced off of the back wall and back onto the field. Ridiculous.

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Shit. That dude was younger than I am. Death by misadventure?

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There was a "rehab" reference in the AP story. "Personal demons" were cited too.

 

And that was Maine's first win since May 26, at Florida, though two out of the three last starts, he certainly pitched well enough to win. I still wonder about Oliver Perez and Sosa is having a "wonder if it's 'roids" season, but I think Maine is the real thing.

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There was a "rehab" reference in the AP story. "Personal demons" were cited too.

 

And that was Maine's first win since May 26, at Florida, though two out of the three last starts, he certainly pitched well enough to win. I still wonder about Oliver Perez and Sosa is having a "wonder if it's 'roids" season, but I think Maine is the real thing.

 

I think Maine's gonna be a solid middle of the rotation starter, but I can't see him having a 2.9 era all year. I wouldn't be surprised to see Sosa's ERA rise by a ful run, and the same with El Duque. Maine and Perez will probably have a bout a half a run raise, but they are pretty legitimate, compared to Hernandez and Sosa.

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So in the last few days, the Tigers have traded Wil Ledezma to Atlanta and Mike Maroth to St. Louis. And made Andrew Miller (last year's #1 draft pick) a permanent member of the rotation. And Kenny Rogers and Nate Robertson are back. And Chad Durbin was moved to the bullpen. Their pitching is almost completely different than it was one week ago.

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