Welsh Rich Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Great stage yesterday, that's for sure. Contador (sp?) really could be something special if he's not taking anything special. The way he didn't get bullied by Rasmussen was impressive and was been suitably selfish. Like it! Will see how things pan out today. Evans looked a broken man yesterday, whether he can still challenge and not slip back to much over these mountain stages will dicates whether he can challenge in the final TT... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aeglos Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 today's stage looks terrifying Port de Bales = last 10km, 10% grade, maximum 14% still hoping for Cadel but Contador would be a great story Quote Link to post Share on other sites
welch79 Posted July 23, 2007 Author Share Posted July 23, 2007 contador really put rasmussen in a tight spot today...hats off. hats off as well to vino who showed a lot of courage and pride today. while no longer a gc contender, he sure showed that he is still a force with today's efforts. with a strategic off day tomorrow, wednesday's stage will be quite a show to be sure. wednesday's stage: ~220k, 2 hc climbs. wowsers. good luck fellas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SquashedFrog Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 This is getting humorous..... "UCI discussing allegations Rasmussen asked racer to carry doping materials GENEVA -- The head of cycling's world governing body says it would be bad for the sport if current Tour de France leader Michael Rasmussen goes on to win the race. "With all this speculation around him it would be better if somebody else were to win," UCI president Pat McQuaid told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Monday. "The last thing this sport needs is more speculation about doping." McQuaid added, however, that the Danish rider has "broken no rules, so from that point of view ... you have to give him the benefit of the doubt." Rasmussen was dropped from Denmark's national team last week for failing to notify anti-doping officials of his whereabouts for drug testing before the Tour began. He missed two drug tests by Denmark's anti-doping agency in May and June, and failed to respond to two warnings from the International Cycling Union since April 2006. A third infraction with either the UCI or the Danish agency would be considered equivalent to a positive test and lead to a ban." http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/tdf2007/news/story?id=2945911 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
welch79 Posted July 24, 2007 Author Share Posted July 24, 2007 well this is all very strategic, innit? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aeglos Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 maybe they should have a clean tour and a doped tour same goes for the olympics i'm confused about the satisfaction of winning through performance enhancement... monetary? adulation? odd... anyways, i believe Rasmussen is a drug cheat within the last few years, sadly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Vinokourov tests positive for banned transfusion, Team Astana pulls out of the Tour. link Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 dumbest sport ever. lock it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lance Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Well as soon as they nail chicken I imagine one could stick a fork in professional cycling. I guess Armstrong got out in time, just before testing caught up with his masking skills. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
welch79 Posted July 24, 2007 Author Share Posted July 24, 2007 well, shit. this is the lowest of the low. i thought surely after all the fallout from last year, that this year's tour would keep it's nose clean, but i guess that isn't the case... on with the tour! with astana out, that means that kloden is out as well which will shake up top gc. also, having lost astana, discovery is pretty much a lock for team crown. i just hope that the rest of the tour goes quietly...as far as doping is concerned. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jenbobblehead Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 i hate it when work gets in the way of me finding shit out. I can't believe it. I'm so disappointed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chendizzle Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 What a joke of a sport. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
welch79 Posted July 25, 2007 Author Share Posted July 25, 2007 What a joke of a sport....that a few riders have made of it. the sport itself is not a joke. just like baseball is not a joke of a sport, but barry bonds is making one out of it. sad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
anodyne Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 they should have separate events for the dopers - perhaps a separate league (for all sports). i'd love to see competitive swimmers doped to the point where they develop gills or cyclists who have 3 white blood cells in their entire system. think of the possibilities! imagine if sosa could compete against other dickheads on steroids OPENLY. we'd see baseball scores that look closer to football scores (or even basketball scores). just as boxing has revered cut men, we could have rockstar veterinarians prescribing horse medications from the bench. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pillowy star Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 There's only one way to stop dopers from betraying others really: Allow doping for everyone. Period. I guess in a few years, when cyclists with 3 legs and 2 hearts and alien faces with bubble skin will have fallen off their bikes dead on Mont Galibier to please the 2 spectators that are left, everyone's gonna realize that this is a farce. And you can only stop a farce by leading it ad absurdum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Welsh Rich Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 This is very disappointing... I just don't understand how they think they can get away with it? They know they'll get tested if they win a stage, and yet Vino blasted everyone away, was emotional, and yet knew he was a cheat. Grrrrr. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 ...that a few riders have made of it. the sport itself is not a joke. just like baseball is not a joke of a sport, but barry bonds is making one out of it. sad. yeah, except that they're all juiced or doped up. it's right on par with professional wrestling. Professional cycling is a joke because you can't watch a race and know if the result is going to hold up until the lab work is done. If you think it's just a few riders ruining the sport I wonder if you mean the few who get caught? the level to which drugs in sport is misunderstood by the public Do you think that the guys pitching to Bonds are clean? and Pillowy Star great idea: get back to me when your kids are using PEDs in high school because they want to compete. Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not but drug use always trickles down, and those on a lower level use to claw their way to the next level. Drugs are epidemic in all sports. it's high profile in cycling because they're trying to clean it up. to think that these guys are likely to have lasting health effects is a bit misguided. They have top quality doctors advising them on usage. They've even safely learned how to use EPO which killed scores of athletes in the 80s. Again, it's younger riders without the level of guidance who are typically in the greatest danger. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pillowy star Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 and Pillowy Star great idea: get back to me when your kids are using PEDs in high school because they want to compete. Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not but drug use always trickles down, and those on a lower level use to claw their way to the next level. Oh my daughter is already in high school, has tested out drugs (although she claims she hasn't but who'd ever trust a teenager?!), and just recently told me that those who think they need to do stuff like that are losers with no self-esteem. I guess it is all down to education and how to infiltrate your kids with it so they don't feel the need to "compete". And no, I wasn't being sarcastic. Until we'll reach a level where nobody could ever get away with a single doping substance for a single meter of cycling, the only fair thing is to give everyone the same chance aka the meds they obviously need and want. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 yeah, I disagree. High schools are filled with the stuff. I suppose the whole of the pro peloton are losers with no self esteem, but there are still gazillions of people who will follow in their shoes. Our entire culture (and yes, even Canada) is steeped in competition. So unless one moves to a commune and never allows their children the opportunity to play sports it's pretty much a crap shoot. Unless they're the fat kid who's always picked last it's hard to say if they're going to get the bug to compete. Oh wait, sometimes the fat kid wants success as well. again, if you open drugs up in pro sports every amateur will be on them. that may be fair in your mind but it's a travesty to mine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pillowy star Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 I see where you are coming from, completely. But as long as doping is banned/illegal, it will have to be done secretely and hidden from the public (you don't honestly think that it will be stopped due to more controls?! See now, another doping case is gonna be disclosed during the next minutes), which means it comes along with a criminal potential on top of the medical dangers. It's the same to me like heroin. Why adding the criminal investigations to the medical costs it causes? Just let everyone who wants take as many drugs as they want. They're gonna take them anyway, so at least make it legal for them and give everyone equal rights (i.e. people with less money now have to buy shit drugs whilst millionaires like Lindsay Whoeverthatdrunkardsnameis can buy clean stuff). Is that too liberal ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 there are things I'd call it, though I wouldn't waste my time with worrying if it's liberal or not. ok on another subject what was the ration of maple syrup to soy sauce in that fish recipe? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pillowy star Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 Fish recipe?! Is the fish from a biologically credible source ??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 I don't imagine there was much of a doping problem in sports until the salaries and prize money began to skyrocket. It wasn't that long ago that Major League Baseball players got second jobs in the off season to help make ends meet, and the worst thing anyone heard about were a few drunks, who usually washed out of the game pretty quickly anyway. Money changed everything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 I don't imagine there was much of a doping problem in sports until the salaries and prize money began to skyrocket. It wasn't that long ago that Major League Baseball players got second jobs in the off season to help make ends meet, and the worst thing anyone heard about were a few drunks, who usually washed out of the game pretty quickly anyway. Money changed everything.It was 1970 when Dock Ellis pitched his perfect game on acid... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 It was 1970 when Dock Ellis pitched his perfect game on acid... Wasn't it a no-hitter, not a perfect game? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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