mrman Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 I've got the reissue of The Band's 2nd self-titled cd "The Band", and on the song ,"When You Awake", just after the 3 minute mark, and in the middle of a new verse, it suddenly fades out! Has anyone here got either the ist cd issue, or even better, the original lp? I'd like to know if this song was originally like this, or has there been a cock-up on the reissue? gracias amigos Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Synthesizer Patel Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 It does it on the original cd issue too. I'd imagine it's on the original vinyl as well. Why? Don't you like it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mjpuczko Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 rick danko - when you awake Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markosis Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 I haven't listened to the vinyl in a long time, but I am certain it fades out there too. "If I thought it would do any good, I'd stand on the rock where Moses stood..." I always thought that was kind of a wierd fadeout. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Does that mean I have to drag down my LP? Too early....okay, you got me....playing it now...the time on it is 3:10...yup...it isn't after the verse...it is after a long series of couplets, I am sure that is the way they planned it. LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markosis Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 King Harvest has a strange fadeout as well, considering the song ends immediately after the fade Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Fading was far more in vogue in those days...... LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markosis Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Yeah, it seems like a lost art. I think the whole "fade out/fade back in" thing killed it. I was just thinking the other day about the old "hidden track" thing and how no one does it anymore. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 I suppose hidden tracks became something of a cliche since it was so easy to do on CDs. Personally I was never that big a fan of the fade-out, but during the LP era (and 45 singles) it was a way to keep time down. To me it was always sort of a cop out. LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Synthesizer Patel Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 The reason I see why it fades out is because what he starts singing is an old folk song - "on the rock where moses stood." I very much doubt those lyrics were in the song as it was intended. I'd therefore assume that the whole thing fell apart just after that, so hence the fast fade. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Synthesizer Patel Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Yeah, it seems like a lost art. I think the whole "fade out/fade back in" thing killed it. I was just thinking the other day about the old "hidden track" thing and how no one does it anymore. The greatest example of that is the hidden track The Citizen's Band on The Super Furry Animals Guerrilla album. Because it comes at the start of the album, and you have to rewind the first track on the cd to find it. I actually didn't discover it until a good couple of years later, which made it even more of a treat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
m_thomp Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 The greatest example of that is the hidden track The Citizen's Band on The Super Furry Animals Guerrilla album. Because it comes at the start of the album, and you have to rewind the first track on the cd to find it. I actually didn't discover it until a good couple of years later, which made it even more of a treat. Dvaid Holmes does that trick on the album Bow Down To The Exit Sign too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TCP Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 I suppose hidden tracks became something of a cliche since it was so easy to do on CDs. Personally I was never that big a fan of the fade-out, but during the LP era (and 45 singles) it was a way to keep time down. To me it was always sort of a cop out. LouieBYou know, it's hard to be critical of The Beatles but if I had one criticism it would be about the amount of fade outs they did, especially in the early days. However I don't blame them, according to my Music Business classes, record companies use to demand that songs fade out with the hook of the song repeating, believing that it'd get stuck in peoples heads that way. Though I guess that doesn't really explain The Bands weird fade outs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Synthesizer Patel Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 I'm a big fan of fade outs mainly because it leaves you thinking - "I wonder what happened after that?" One of my favourites is on Pet Sounds, when I'm Waiting For The Day actually changes on the fade out when they sing - "You didn't think, that I could sit around etc..." The fact that this bit of the song is incredible is one thing, but the fact that they fade it makes your brain think, "damn I wish that went on for another couple of minutes" ie. it leaves the audience wanting more. It also has the effect of saying "right, that's the song - you get the idea . . . now onto the next idea" which I think is a good thing too - why labour the point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oceanman Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Best way to end a song period, especially that tune! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tugmoose Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 The American Pie single I had had half the song on one side, fade out, flip, fade in, half the song on the other. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 The American Pie single I had had half the song on one side, fade out, flip, fade in, half the song on the other.The jukebox in the main college bar in the town where I went to college had that single. And people actually paid to hear both sides of it once in a while. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 You know, it's hard to be critical of The Beatles but if I had on criticism it would be about the amount of fade outs they did, especially in the early days. Yes, especially on "You Won't See Me" - the point where it starts to fade kills me because it sounds like the boys are about to really groove. Man, even ten more seconds of that is all I need. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 The jukebox in the main college bar in the town where I went to college had that single. And people actually paid to hear both sides of it once in a while.that's the way the single version of Like a Rolling Stone was as well. LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mrman Posted November 26, 2007 Author Share Posted November 26, 2007 Does that mean I have to drag down my LP? Too early....okay, you got me....playing it now...the time on it is 3:10...yup...it isn't after the verse...it is after a long series of couplets, I am sure that is the way they planned it. LouieB BIG thank you, LouieB, and everyone else who helped . it's still a damned annoying ending, though... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 that's the way the single version of Like a Rolling Stone was as well. LouieB Didn't this happen with a lot of soul/R&B singles too? Hence "Part 1" showing up at the end of titles from the late 60s - early 70s? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 Didn't this happen with a lot of soul/R&B singles too? Hence "Part 1" showing up at the end of titles from the late 60s - early 70s?Well yes, such as Stevie Wonder's Fingertips part 1 and 2. Needless to say a 45 RPM record had time limitations as did 78s which also eventually began to split material in half, such as Ellington's Diminuendo and Crescendo in Blue,which was before my time.... LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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