isadorah Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 different light frequencies passing through the atmosphere? damn it, i was going to say that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 I imagine there was quite a bit of wrangling going on behind the scenes vis a vis the British and Sudanese governments. Had this story never reached the light of day, she would probably have been subjected to much, much worse Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Are you basing that on anything, or are you just talking out of your ass? Strangely enough, I Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Strangely enough, I Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted November 30, 2007 Author Share Posted November 30, 2007 I imagine there was quite a bit of wrangling going on behind the scenes vis a vis the British and Sudanese governments. Had this story never reached the light of day, she would probably have been subjected to much, much worse Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Right. We're talking about people who would whip a teacher (no need to say it again) because she allowed her students to name a teddy bear after Muhammad, which is a crime in their part of the country. It's not about allowing the children freedom, and you shouldn't pretend that's the case. There's also no reason to believe they would have done anything worse than whip her, because that's the worst thing any report has suggested could happen to her for this offense. You can speculate all you want about what might have happened, but to suggest that something worse "probably" would have happened is fucking ludicrous. There's a difference between "could" and "probably would" but you know that. That's just how you roll. Probably. That Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 That Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 I was being facetious, and I certainly understand your point, but you also stated that speculating on the behavior of a government with one of the worst human rights records in relation to this case was Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Attempt to convince me that "possible" is the same as "probable."Not buying it. If you had couched your original argument in those terms, however, I probably wouldn't have disagreed with you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Not buying it. If you had couched your original argument in those terms, however, I probably wouldn't have disagreed with you. That Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plasticeyeball Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 looks like the peoples really do want to do worse. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071130/ap_on_...fClpm8A1ays0NUE Calls in Sudan for execution of Briton By MOHAMED OSMAN, Associated Press Writer 31 minutes ago KHARTOUM, Sudan - Thousands of Sudanese, many armed with clubs and knives, rallied Friday in a central square and demanded the execution of a British teacher convicted of insulting Islam for allowing her students to name a teddy bear "Muhammad." The protesters streamed out of mosques after Friday sermons, as pickup trucks with loudspeakers blared messages against Gillian Gibbons, the teacher who was sentenced Thursday to 15 days in prison and deportation. She avoided the more serious punishment of 40 lashes. They massed in central Martyrs Square, outside the presidential palace, where hundreds of riot police were deployed, although they did not try to stop the rally. "Shame, shame on the U.K.," protesters chanted. They called for Gibbons' execution, saying, "No tolerance: Execution," and "Kill her, kill her by firing squad." The women's prison where Gibbons is being held is far from the site. Unity High School, which is closer by in central Khartoum, is under heavy security protection. The protest arose despite vows by Sudanese security officials the day before, during Gibbons' trial, that threatened demonstrations after Friday prayers would not take place. Some of the protesters carried green banners with the name of the Society for Support of the Prophet Muhammad, a previously unknown group. Many protesters carried clubs, knives and axes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 well then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 looks like the peoples really do want to do worse. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071130/ap_on_...fClpm8A1ays0NUE Calls in Sudan for execution of Briton By MOHAMED OSMAN, Associated Press Writer 31 minutes ago KHARTOUM, Sudan - Thousands of Sudanese, many armed with clubs and knives, rallied Friday in a central square and demanded the execution of a British teacher convicted of insulting Islam for allowing her students to name a teddy bear "Muhammad." The protesters streamed out of mosques after Friday sermons, as pickup trucks with loudspeakers blared messages against Gillian Gibbons, the teacher who was sentenced Thursday to 15 days in prison and deportation. She avoided the more serious punishment of 40 lashes. They massed in central Martyrs Square, outside the presidential palace, where hundreds of riot police were deployed, although they did not try to stop the rally. "Shame, shame on the U.K.," protesters chanted. They called for Gibbons' execution, saying, "No tolerance: Execution," and "Kill her, kill her by firing squad." The women's prison where Gibbons is being held is far from the site. Unity High School, which is closer by in central Khartoum, is under heavy security protection. The protest arose despite vows by Sudanese security officials the day before, during Gibbons' trial, that threatened demonstrations after Friday prayers would not take place. Some of the protesters carried green banners with the name of the Society for Support of the Prophet Muhammad, a previously unknown group. Many protesters carried clubs, knives and axes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Not exactly the same thing, but yeah, that's bad. No question it's a brutal society there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 "This an arrogant woman who came to our country, cashing her salary in dollars, teaching our children hatred of our Prophet Muhammad," he said. Wow, just wow...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Hmmmm....I hate to say I told you so but..... Told us what? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Told us what?That God doesn't exist. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Told us what? Caliber66 got all up in my shit for speculating the following (I'm making a funny here Caliber.) "I imagine there was quite a bit of wrangling going on behind the scenes vis a vis the British and Sudanese governments. Had this story never reached the light of day, she would probably have been subjected to much, much worse Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Turns out it was mostly true....No, it turns out there are people who are angry that she got off as "lightly" as she did. That doesn't mean that she probably would have been lynched had there not been international attention. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 for someone who doesn't believe in mysticism...you sure have one hell of a crystal ball. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 No, it turns out there are people who are angry that she got off as "lightly" as she did. That doesn't mean that she probably would have been lynched had there not been international attention. I Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 are you going to answer my question in the other thread? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 for someone who doesn't believe in mysticism...you sure have one hell of a crystal ball. Given my knowledge of the region by way of the books I Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Given my knowledge of the region by way of the books I Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 are you going to answer my question in the other thread? I hate you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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