Pidgeon hole yourself

[uncool2pillow]

All this political discussion has been interesting and a bit more diverse than I expected on a Wilco board, I'm curious!

[Lammycat]

There should be a "no one" option for who to vote for.

[uncool2pillow]

There should be a "no one" option for who to vote for.

I thought about adding that, but thought "other" would suffice.

[Lammycat]

I thought about adding that, but thought "other" would suffice.

That's cool. "Other" implied to me that it's an "other" candidate. I've gotcha, though. I'd like to re-vote in this poll now, though.

[uncool2pillow]

Hopefully anyone who votes other on either questions will post to explain their vote.

[bjorn_skurj]

[Guest Jules]

I'm voting for Lammy.

[uncle wilco]

is there really any doubt as to the outcome on 'ole vc?

[cryptique]

I haven't been keeping track ... did Ron Paul suspend his campaign, or is he now running as something other than a Republican?

 

Not that I'd vote for him ... just wondering.

[Guest Jules]

is there really any doubt as to the outcome on 'ole vc?

no

[uncool2pillow]

No doubt about the ultimate winner, but I'm curious to see how the percentages play out. McCain getting 30% or higher would be something of a surprise to me.

[Lammycat]

I'm voting for Lammy.

"A Vote for Lammy is a Vote for Idiocy"

[ikol]

I haven't been keeping track ... did Ron Paul suspend his campaign, or is he now running as something other than a Republican?

 

Not that I'd vote for him ... just wondering.

 

I think he finally did suspend his campaign and is concentrating on getting libertarian candidates elected.

[uncool2pillow]

I think he finally did suspend his campaign and is concentrating on getting libertarian candidates elected.

I think there are plenty of good libertarians, but I don't know of any good libertarian candidates.

[ikol]

I think there are plenty of good libertarians, but I don't know of any good libertarian candidates.

 

Yeah, that's kind of the problem. The people that hate government tend to not be in it.

[viatroy]

George Washington on political parties:

 

All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests.

 

 

 

A couple thoughts on the all the political discourse. I'd have to say I'm a socialist, which is decidedly not the same thing as communist, folks. Do you believe in public schools, for example? Fair trade? Social Security? That's socialism.

 

wikipedia:

 

In political theory, democracy describes a small number of related forms of government and also a political philosophy. Even though there is no universally accepted definition of 'democracy',[3] there are two principles that any definition of democracy is required to have. The first principle is that all members of the society have equal access to power and the second that all members enjoy universally recognised freedoms and liberties.

The first principle obviously doesn't apply here. And as for the second, our freedoms and liberties have been seriously curtailed. But hey, the constitution is 'just a piece of paper', right?

 

I'd say what we have had for a long time is a social democracy, albeit a fairly poor one in the corrupt corporate environment we're living in. Not that that's anything new, or likely to go away

 

Another wiki definition:

social democrats aim to reform capitalism democratically through state regulation and the creation of programs and organizations which work to ameliorate or remove injustices they see in the capitalist market system.

 

That sounds pretty good to me.

[Tronz]

our freedoms and liberties have been seriously curtailed. But hey, the constitution is 'just a piece of paper', right?

I'm curious as to which of your freedoms & liberties, specifically, have been curtailed in... oh, let's say the past 8 years just for laughs.

 

social democrats aim to reform capitalism democratically through state regulation and the creation of programs and organizations which work to ameliorate or remove injustices they see in the capitalist market system.

 

That sounds pretty good to me.

Big government bureaucracy sounds like a good thing? Oy vey.

[MrRain422]

Yeah, that's kind of the problem. The people that hate government tend to not be in it.

 

Or they call themselves Republicans, proceed to do a poor job of governing, and then point to their own poor performance as evidence that government doesn't work.

[ikol]

Or they call themselves Republicans, proceed to do a poor job of governing, and then point to their own poor performance as evidence that government doesn't work.

 

Or that.

[Good Old Neon]

I'm curious as to which of your freedoms & liberties, specifically, have been curtailed in... oh, let's say the past 8 years just for laughs.

 

Graydon Carter wrote a book devoted to that topic What We've Lost: How the Bush Administration Has Curtailed Our Freedoms, Mortgaged Our Economy, Ravaged Our Environment, and Damaged Our Standing in the World, if you

[PigSooie]