Good Old Neon Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Edit: OWLYou obviously aren't familiar with the saying tongue-in-cheek, huh. According to board regulations, in an effort to remain consistent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I'm going to say he was probably bragging, but doing so in a tongue in cheek manner. He's still an asshole. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 ? I have been poor and liberal most of my life. I don't get the statement in the first place. How many of you're waking hours are spent trying to survive, find food or shelter? If you think you are poor I'd say you need to re-think your time managment plan and find additional sources of income, unless you can figure out a way to get paid by the post. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 He's still an asshole. Rich Asshole, get it right. P.S. Did you see Diddy has a new "Top Shelf Vodka"? Pretty damn good, not like the crappy Grey Goose. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
embiggen Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 How many of you're waking hours are spent trying to survive, find food or shelter? If you think you are poor I'd say you need to re-think your time managment plan and find additional sources of income, unless you can figure out a way to get paid by the post. you can just stop right there. I didn't say I was poor at the moment and spending my every waking hour trying to survive and find food and shelter. you can back the fuck off now when it comes to telling me or how I can afford to have the political beliefs that I have. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 ? I have been poor and liberal most of my life. I don't get the statement in the first place.I can't speak for the writer but I think he was trying to espouse the theory that if people were worked to the point of exhaustion seven days a week, they would be too focused on their own misery to protest effectively and that the relative abundance of leisure time many of us enjoy allows us to develop sophisticated political theories like those debated on this board. I was then trying to elliptically point out that people thus treated sometimes take up arms against their oppressors, heading right past liberalism into insurrectionism. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 If you think you are poor I'd say you need to re-think your time managment plan and find additional sources of income, unless you can figure out a way to get paid by the post. I'd say this is probably not necessary. But I will agree that Americans on the whole rarely have to worry about where their next meal will come from, and this allows us the luxury of having more leisure time. I'm not sure this is a liberal or conservative bias, but it does allow us to spend more time thinking about these things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
owl Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Edit: OWLYou obviously aren't familiar with the saying tongue-in-cheek, huh.Sorry if I misunderstood your recent not-wanting-to-brag-bragging. But at least I now have my first satirical thread at ViaChicago. I've only been here for 5 years; I can't believe it took this long. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Assuming liberalism is a luxery (which is absurd on its face, but hypothetically...) does that mean that it is inherently wrong? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
owl Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 But I will agree that Americans on the whole rarely have to worry about where their next meal will come from, and this allows us the luxury of having more leisure time.Which allows us to plan to have more leisure time, but obviously not any kind of sustainable lifestyle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
owl Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Assuming liberalism is a luxery (which is absurd on its face, but hypothetically...) does that mean that it is inherently wrong?I guess by my logic it would be unnecessary. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I can't speak for the writer but I think he was trying to espouse the theory that if people were worked to the point of exhaustion seven days a week, they would be too focused on their own misery to protest effectively and that the relative abundance of leisure time many of us enjoy allows us to develop sophisticated political theories like those debated on this board. I was then trying to elliptically point out that people thus treated sometimes take up arms against their oppressors, heading right past liberalism into insurrectionism. And we have a winner. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Which allows us to plan to have more leisure time, but obviously not any kind of sustainable lifestyle. I am not a city planner, and I don't see you out there surveying possible routes for buses. You cannot force any sort of lifestyle on people. Wouldn't that go against your liberal beliefs anyways? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I'd say this is probably not necessary. I had no malice intended in my post, but unless you are on the Internet from a public library trying to find a job don't try and make the argument you are poor. You do a great disservice to people who are actually struggling to survive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I don Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I had no malice intended in my post, but unless you are on the Internet from a public library trying to find a job don't try and make the argument you are poor. You do a great disservice to people who are actually struggling to survive. Well, I really am poor. I also have no expenses, though, so it's not really a problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
owl Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I am not a city planner, and I don't see you out there surveying possible routes for buses. I know, dude. On the other hand, isn't most of Florida at sea level? Any chance you're a levee engineer? By the way, and no offense, I'm not sure that you'd be able to see whether I do anything about city planning--or whether I just talk about it on a bulletin board. You cannot force any sort of lifestyle on people. Wouldn't that go against your liberal beliefs anyways?I am not talking about forcing anything upon anyone. Nature is not liberal or conservative. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I don Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 But I'm also not worried in the least by rising sea levels."The Chris From Atlantis" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe_Syzlak Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 The Founding Fathers were fighting against a government they felt intruded too much into their day to day lives and taxed them unfairly. Just saying.So if I'm against the government subsidizing the oil industry to unfairly inhibit free trade, does that mean I am not a liberal? Phew! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
owl Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 But I'm also not worried in the least by rising sea levels. Are you planning to move soon? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 The Founding Fathers were fighting against a government they felt intruded too much into their day to day lives and taxed them unfairly. Just saying. But I'm also not worried in the least by rising sea levels. True, but labor struggles connected to the formation of unions, civil rights, suffrage, equality, etc, many of the struggles typically associated with being liberal or liberalism in general, were, for the most part, headed by liberals Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 "typically" "for the most part" "supposedly" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
owl Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 the exact sort of people who, we Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Are you planning to move soon? No. I don't think rising sea levels should be my primary concern right now. I'm literally not worried about them at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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