Party @ the Moontower Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 i'm voting for not obama because i disagree with his policy proposals. That's not an argument dude. Who are you voting for and why. You shouldn't have to even mention Obama in your argument.Tell me who and why..just 5 good reasons. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I agree. I rarely see an argument for McCain or any of the other 4 presidental canidates that are not Obama. All I hear is that those of that support Obama control the election thread and spout nonsense about M/P. BS! I don't see non Obama supporters being bashed here, I see Obama supporters being called lots of silly things because there seems to be more of us and we post many news articles that are pro-O.really? It's been answered before, even if you don't remember it. Smaller government, spending controls, decreased taxes (incl. corporate and estate) are important issues to me. There are also issues I don't agree with McCain on, but he is the candidate most in line with my values and thinking. Link to post Share on other sites
ikol Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I agree. I rarely see an argument for McCain or any of the other 4 presidental canidates that are not Obama. All I hear is that those of that support Obama control the election thread and spout nonsense about M/P. BS! I don't see non Obama supporters being bashed here, I see Obama supporters being called lots of silly things because there seems to be more of us and we post many news articles that are pro-O. Show me the Obama supporters who are trying to squash free speech on this board. I personally have asked 10 times now for an honest and clear argument for anyone that is not Obama. I have yet to see it. All this crying over O supporters making up lies, throwing insults, and ignoring true debate here is nothing more than BS! I disagree with Obama more than I disagree with McCain on most issues, including taxation, the war in Iraq, healthcare, abortion, and judicial nominees. It's hard to take you seriously when you use that word. My point exactly. Link to post Share on other sites
kwall Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 That's not an argument dude. Who are you voting for and why. You shouldn't have to even mention Obama in your argument.Tell me who and why..just 5 good reasons.i don't like that one's policy on taxes.i don't like that one's policy for universal health care.i don't like that one's policy for withdrawal from iraq.i don't like that one's philosophy on supreme court justices.i don't like that one's philosophy on abortion. Link to post Share on other sites
fatheadfred Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I disagree with Obama more than I disagree with McCain on most issues, including taxation, the war in Iraq, healthcare, abortion, and judicial nominees. My point exactly. But what do you agree with what McRetardican proposes? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I disagree with Obama more than I disagree with McCain on most issues, including taxation, the war in Iraq, healthcare, abortion, and judicial nominees.Honestly, this is kind of where I was coming from with the "less bad" comment, although it didn't come across quite that way. Link to post Share on other sites
fatheadfred Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 i don't like that one's policy on taxes.i don't like that one's policy for universal health care.i don't like that one's policy for withdrawal from iraq.i don't like that one's philosophy on supreme court justices.i don't like that one's philosophy on abortion.Oh, now we understand. Really. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 But what do you agree with what McRetardican proposes? I disagree with Obama more than I disagree with McCain on most issues, including taxation, the war in Iraq, healthcare, abortion, and judicial nominees. Link to post Share on other sites
kwall Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Oh, now we understand. Really.i was asked for five reasons, so i gave them. i couldn't give 2 shits whether you understand or not. Honestly, this is kind of where I was coming from with the "less bad" comment, although it didn't come across quite that way.anyone with half a brain understood that. Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 i do find it funny, that one of the biggest reasons a lot folks here voted for kerry (including me) was based on little more than 'he's not bush'...now, you're poking at people for more detail when they say 'he's not obama'. can't you guys just get that certain folks may find similiar issues important to them that you do...however, their view of how said issue needs to be addressed can lead them to a candidate that isn't yours. that, kids, is democracy. Link to post Share on other sites
ikol Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 But what do you agree with what McRetardican proposes? I would think it would be obvious to anyone smarter than Sarah Palin that disagreeing with McCain less means agreeing more. Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 i don't like that one's policy on taxes.i don't like that one's policy for universal health care.i don't like that one's policy for withdrawal from iraq.i don't like that one's philosophy on supreme court justices.i don't like that one's philosophy on abortion. That's not an argument. Don't talk about O. Tell me who you are voting for and what specifically you agree with that person on. If you say taxes, please explain what the policy is about, not just that you agree. Link to post Share on other sites
sweetheart-mine Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 i do find it funny, that one of the biggest reasons a lot folks here voted for kerry (including me) was based on little more than 'he's not bush'...now, you're poking at people for more detail when they say 'he's not obama'. can't you guys just get that certain folks may find similiar issues important to them that you do...however, their view of how said issue needs to be addressed can lead them to a candidate that isn't yours. that, kids, is democracy.i get that, though big difference: in '04 we'd already seen just how destructive bush and cronies could be and were (i.e., way more than imagined). the not-obama voters don't have such solid evidence. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 If you say taxes, please explain what the policy is about, not just that you agree.lower Link to post Share on other sites
fatheadfred Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I would think it would be obvious to anyone smarter than Sarah Palin that disagreeing with McCain less means agreeing more.That's a vote of confidence. Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 really? It's been answered before, even if you don't remember it. Smaller government, spending controls, decreased taxes (incl. corporate and estate) are important issues to me. There are also issues I don't agree with McCain on, but he is the candidate most in line with my values and thinking. My problem isn't with you Jules. I know where you stand, your not the one crying all the time over us Obama supporters being mean to you. Link to post Share on other sites
ikol Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 i get that, though big difference: in '04 we'd already seen just how destructive bush and cronies could be and were (i.e., way more than imagined). the not-obama voters don't have such solid evidence. You're right. All we have to go by is Obama's proposals. Now, I suppose he could be a big liar and is actually planning to keep taxes low, cut spending, appoint strict constructionist judges, refrain from further socializing healthcare, etc., but I assume he's being honest and thus do not care to vote for him. Link to post Share on other sites
kwall Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 That's not an argument.ok, fine, it's not an argument. it is, however, an answer to your previous question, which is all i was interested in giving. Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 i get that, though big difference: in '04 we'd already seen just how destructive bush and cronies could be and were (i.e., way more than imagined). the not-obama voters don't have such solid evidence. i agree with you, but no matter what sort of spin you put on it...it's still open to interpretation. i may not like it, but i try to be tolerant of it as much as i can. PATMT, i have no clue what you're doing...let me turn it on you, do you really want to list out each of obama's policies you agree with, how they differ from mccain's and why you support them. by this point, if someone says they like mccain tax policies better than b's, how can you not not know what the differences are? Link to post Share on other sites
kwall Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 You're right. All we have to go by is Obama's proposals. Now, I suppose he could be a big liar and is actually planning to keep taxes low, cut spending, appoint strict constructionist judges, refrain from further socializing healthcare, etc., but I assume he's being honest and thus do not care to vote for him.that's not an argument. Link to post Share on other sites
sweetheart-mine Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 lower do you mean lower for the wealthy? i'm just curious, since obama's plan IS to lower taxes for the vast majority of americans -- the middle class. Link to post Share on other sites
fatheadfred Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 i agree with you, but no matter what sort of spin you put on it...it's still open to interpretation. i may not like it, but i try to be tolerant of it as much as i can. PATMT, i have no clue what you're doing...let me turn it on you, do you really want to list out each of obama's policies you agree with, how they differ from mccain's and why you support them. by this point, if someone says they like mccain tax policies better than b's, how can you not not know what the differences are?She wasn't asking for a comparison of every stance. 5 things they agree with McCain. Shouldn't be hard to do if you feel strongly enough to debate for him. Link to post Share on other sites
ikol Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 do you mean lower for the wealthy? i'm just curious, since obama's plan IS to lower taxes for the vast majority of americans -- the middle class. What does wealth have to do with anything? I thought Obama was going to raise taxes on high incomes. Link to post Share on other sites
sweetheart-mine Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 You're right. All we have to go by is Obama's proposals. Now, I suppose he could be a big liar and is actually planning to keep taxes low, cut spending, appoint strict constructionist judges, refrain from further socializing healthcare, etc., but I assume he's being honest and thus do not care to vote for him. it's pretty hard to know what actually will happen once someone gets into office. bush ran on "compassionate conservatism," and he gets an F for both words, almost from the get-go. i do believe that obama is a more honest person, though. What does wealth have to do with anything? I thought Obama was going to raise taxes on high incomes. Link to post Share on other sites
ikol Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 She wasn't asking for a comparison of every stance. 5 things they agree with McCain. Shouldn't be hard to do if you feel strongly enough to debate for him. Give me 5 coherent sentences and I'll give you 5 things on which I agree with McCain. Link to post Share on other sites
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