ikol Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Wasn't this what the Gdub crew was promoting everytime they raided the treasury? Yes, but he wasn't as charismatic when he did it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Poll: Most Americans Back Obama on Stimulus, Mortgage PlansBipartisan Support Drops Significantly as More Republicans Disapprove of How President Is Handling Job By Michael A. Fletcher and Jon CohenWashington Post Staff WritersMonday, February 23, 2009; 5:00 PM As President Obama prepares to address a joint session of Congress tomorrow night, he receives strong grades for his first full month in office, as large majorities of Americans support his $787 billion economic stimulus package and the recently unveiled $75 billion plan for stemming mortgage foreclosures, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll. Nearly seven in 10 believe Obama is delivering on his pledge to bring needed change to Washington, the poll found, and about eight in 10 say he is meeting or exceeding their expectations. At the same time, however, the bipartisan support he enjoyed as he prepared to take office has eroded substantially. Just 37 percent of Republicans now approve of how he has done his job, a sharp drop from a month ago when 62 percent gave him good marks for his handling of the transition. Also, nearly seven in 10 Americans oppose making $14 billion in new loans to automakers General Motors and Chrysler, something Obama is considering in an effort to prop up the ailing industry and preserve jobs. In his speech to Congress, Obama is expected to further outline his agenda for making health care more accessible and bolstering support for alternative energy, while explaining how he envisions his actions working together to lift the nation's economy. The speech comes as Obama, who spent his first weeks in office championing the huge federal outlays called for in his stimulus package, shifts the focus to his pledge to rein in federal spending, which he has called crucial to the nation's long-term prosperity. Almost all Americans consider the size of the federal budget deficit to be a problem, with nearly six in 10 "very concerned" about it. But even so, most, 63 percent, said additional federal action will be needed to improve the economy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Most people in America supported the Iraq war before we found out it was a complete waste. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Wilco Rules Me Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Wow... that is bewildering. America has to go back and take econ 101. Without the misguided influence of Keynesian economics. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Right or wrong, people are hurting and need help. The aversion to the economic equivalent of "tough love" is completely understandable when the tough love would mean you get to be hungry and homeless. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Most people in America supported the Iraq war before we found out it was a complete waste. Marketing, they were hit with a near unanimous wall of approval fromthe press with very little opposition. Just as Obam's lowered Republican approval ratings are as much a function of marketing as anything else. The press still sells everything as if it deserves equal time when not all ideas or thoughts do deserve it, especially not the failed notions of the past eight years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Wilco Rules Me Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Right or wrong, people are hurting and need help. The aversion to the economic equivalent of "tough love" is completely understandable when the tough love would mean you get to be hungry and homeless. Government will not make the situation better. They will prolong they inevitable. Taking another person's money to provide for someone else is illegal. Hungry and homeless is far from reality for 99.999% of the people involved. Moving to an apartment that is far less expensive than the current house that they are residing is more appropriate. Perhaps cutting the cable, internet and turning off some cell phones would help too. To prevent a private business from collecting their money or property so they can in turn sell it off will have devastating consequences. Yet another Government intervention with terrible unintended consequences. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Marketing, they were hit with a near unanimous wall of approval fromthe press with very little opposition. Just as Obam's lowered Republican approval ratings are as much a function of marketing as anything else. The press still sells everything as if it deserves equal time when not all ideas or thoughts do deserve it, especially not the failed notions of the past eight years. A better word is propaganda. Politics. They use fear to sell an idea. It was a method that Bush used to sell war. Now Obama is using it to pass gigantic stimulis and bailouts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Wilco Rules Me Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 A better word is propaganda. Politics. They use fear to sell an idea. It was a method that Bush used to sell war. Now Obama is using it to pass gigantic stimulis and bailouts. It has been done since the dawn of ages. I do not think that both problems are inconsequential. I just do not like the means in which both Presidents tackled their problems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Government will not make the situation better. They will prolong they inevitable. Taking another person's money to provide for someone else is illegal. Hungry and homeless is far from reality for 99.999% of the people involved. Moving to an apartment that is far less expensive than the current house that they are residing is more appropriate. Perhaps cutting the cable, internet and turning off some cell phones would help too. To prevent a private business from collecting their money or property so they can in turn sell it off will have devastating consequences. Yet another Government intervention with terrible unintended consequences.While there are certainly people who lived beyond their means and will now, perhaps deservedly, move down a few notches on the ladder, hard economic times always hurt people on the margins the most. I don't know, but I have a feeling that group makes up a little bit more than 0.001 percent of the population. And, I think it is only illegal to "another person's money to provide for someone else" in Ayn-Randia. C'mon, dude. Even Greenspan is for nationalization nowadays. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Wilco Rules Me Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 While there are certainly people who lived beyond their means and will now, perhaps deservedly, move down a few notches on the ladder, hard economic times always hurt people on the margins the most. I don't know, but I have a feeling that group makes up a little bit more than 0.001 percent of the population. And, I think it is only illegal to "another person's money to provide for someone else" in Ayn-Randia. C'mon, dude. Even Greenspan is for nationalization nowadays. Ayn Rand was brilliant. However I like the brilliance behind the Constitution more. Greenspan was for the dollar to be backed by gold, until he sold out and got the big job. Now Greenspan is wrong. To take a man's money against his will for whatever the reason is still wrong. I understand the need for taxes and all that jazz (more at State level, less at federal), but what we got going on here surpasses any argument that this is just taxes. This is buying votes, this is fraud at its cleverest form. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Ayn Rand was so deluded she did not know how evil her philosophy truly was. Objectivism is the most brilliantly rationalized Satanism ever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Wilco Rules Me Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Ayn Rand was so deluded she did not know how evil her philosophy truly was. Objectivism is the most brilliantly rationalized Satanism ever. In all matters being true: How could the idea of carrying for your own interests be evil? To obtain one's interest he/she must communicate and agree with another in a way that satisfies both interests. Government comes around and takes away the civility of it all. If you want to help others you have that sole choice to do so. But you cannot make others act in your belief. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 In all matters being true: How could the idea of carrying for your own interests be evil? To obtain one's interest he/she must communicate and agree with another in a way that satisfies both interests. Government comes around and takes away the civility of it all. If you want to help others you have that sole choice to do so. But you cannot make others act in your belief.I realize that sounds good on paper, but look what basing an economic system based on no restraints and hoping everyone would behave because it was in their self-interest to do so got us. For a lefty, I take a pretty dim view of people. I think we are by and large greedy, selfish, short-sighted and mean, and if it was left to us to completely run our own affairs, we would all be in Nasty-Brutish-Short mode before too terribly long. To me, the ideal of government is to take the better angels of our nature and codify them into law.Now, since I am a Christian, what Rand touted is anathema to what God asks us to do - watch out for each other and care for the weak and vulnerable among us, whether we feel like it or not. Lucifer was cast down because he put his misguided pursuit of his own happiness before all else, a train of thought which led him to rebel against God. I believe as Rand was writing every word she ever wrote, Satan was whispering in her ear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gobias Industries Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Wow... that is bewildering. America has to go back and take econ 101. Without the misguided influence of Keynesian economics. You know, Keynes isn't the devil. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Wilco Rules Me Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 You know, Keynes isn't the devil. I know this. I just read a very long piece supporting some of his theory. I would post it but it is very long. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Edie Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Very interesting story for you geeky math types, and even those that aren't. Recipe for Disaster: The Formula That Killed Wall Street By Felix Salmon A year ago, it was hardly unthinkable that a math wizard like David X. Li might someday earn a Nobel Prize. After all, financial economists Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Very interesting story for you geeky math types, and even those that aren't. Rest of story and fun graphics I had read a similar story before and there it was linked to in the article. It was the WSJ article from a couple years ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/02/fivethirty-nine.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted February 26, 2009 Author Share Posted February 26, 2009 Daily Show investigates: Obama the antichrist? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Daily Show investigates: Obama the antichrist? Fantastic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted March 3, 2009 Author Share Posted March 3, 2009 Looking for Mr. Far Right by Meghan McCain Somewhere in between college and the election, I started allowing politics to dictate the kind of men I date. And the worst part is, it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Wow, that's just creepy as hell - thinking pearls on a droid look good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dondoboy Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 First Limbaugh, now this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beltmann Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 First Limbaugh, now thisI watched that kid on Huckabee last night. He seems exceptionally bright and articulate. And even though he mostly just regurgitated the usual talking points, at least he did so with more flair and personality than, say, Bobby Jindal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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