Neko's Middle Cyclone

[solace]

i am serious - the music is the important part. artists are spending time and money on artwork now - but give it another 10 years and all songs will be purchased digitally. they won't be making cds anymore and artists won't be spending so much time worrying about a cover.

 

you keep thinking that... there's ALWAYS going to be a subset of people who will need to buy a physical medium, and i'm one of them.

 

i don't buy digital music, sorry. i listen to digital music that is created by ME from my own physical media. sure digital music will surpass physical and physical will be a small portion eventually, but the fact that vinyl sales are up 800% over the last 3 years tells me something... that's a format that's been around for over a century.

 

and i guess if you think that people are going to forgive the concept of artwork for albums in the future, i weep for future generations, cuz that's just lame and lazy.

 

i'm not saying it's the most important thing, but to write it off as quickly as you seemed to do, is dismissing decades worth of great album artwork.

[mastershake]

you keep thinking that... there's ALWAYS going to be a subset of people who will need to buy a physical medium, and i'm one of them.

 

i don't buy digital music, sorry. i listen to digital music that is created by ME from my own physical media. sure digital music will surpass physical and physical will be a small portion eventually, but the fact that vinyl sales are up 800% over the last 3 years tells me something... that's a format that's been around for over a century.

 

and i guess if you think that people are going to forgive the concept of artwork for albums in the future, i weep for future generations, cuz that's just lame and lazy.

 

i'm not saying it's the most important thing, but to write it off as quickly as you seemed to do, is dismissing decades worth of great album artwork.

maybe so, but my guess is that it'll just become too expensive to bother with it. i don't know why you are against the digital medium, but I have fully embraced it. it is absolutely wonderful to just go to amazon and download a newly released album at midnight and listen to it on the way to work. in the past you had to wait until stores opened, get in line to check out - it was always a huge hassle. i'm very happy those days are long gone.

 

the future is going to be digital distribution for movies, video games, and music. it's simply inevitable - it's too convenient not to be the case - and the growth explosion of the digital medium compared to the continuing decline of sales for CDs just proves that people are making the switch - more everyday. Some people will still like the physical medium, but that will become a specialty item sold online on stores like amazon.com. that's exactly what vinyl is - it's a speciality item and its growth is due to more collectors getting involved. i can see it being the same thing for cds - though we are a long way away from that.

 

That said, I can easily see a day when bestbuy doesn't carry cds or dvds anymore and instead has a website that serves those products to it's customers (and gives the option of the physical medium - sorta like what blockbuster did with HD-DVD when it was obvious blu-ray was winning the format war). netflix on demand - think how amazing this service is (or can be)? you get an idea in your head you want to watch some movie and instead of having to travel to blockbuster you just go to your tv and with a few clicks the movie is playing.

 

but you do make a good point about vinyls - artists probably will continue to do artwork just to satisfy people who like to collect stuff like that. so maybe we won't see an end to it after all, but honestly i could care less what the album cover looked like for middle cyclone.

[Analogman]

I think that also. It's already happening at Walmart. I notice they don't carry a whole lot of cds now.

[solace]

maybe so, but my guess is that it'll just become too expensive to bother with it. i don't know why you are against the digital medium, but I have fully embraced it. it is absolutely wonderful to just go to amazon and download a newly released album at midnight and listen to it on the way to work. in the past you had to wait until stores opened, get in line to check out - it was always a huge hassle. i'm very happy those days are long gone.

 

the future is going to be digital distribution for movies, video games, and music. it's simply inevitable - it's too convenient not to be the case - and the growth explosion of the digital medium compared to the continuing decline of sales for CDs just proves that people are making the switch - more everyday. Some people will still like the physical medium, but that will become a specialty item sold online on stores like amazon.com. that's exactly what vinyl is - it's a speciality item and its growth is due to more collectors getting involved. i can see it being the same thing for cds - though we are a long way away from that.

 

That said, I can easily see a day when bestbuy doesn't carry cds or dvds anymore and instead has a website that serves those products to it's customers (and gives the option of the physical medium - sorta like what blockbuster did with HD-DVD when it was obvious blu-ray was winning the format war). netflix on demand - think how amazing this service is (or can be)? you get an idea in your head you want to watch some movie and instead of having to travel to blockbuster you just go to your tv and with a few clicks the movie is playing.

 

but you do make a good point about vinyls - artists probably will continue to do artwork just to satisfy people who like to collect stuff like that. so maybe we won't see an end to it after all, but honestly i could care less what the album cover looked like for middle cyclone.

 

oh i'm SO not opposed to digital music... i download probably 90% of my music digitally before purchasing it, so i definitely enjoy that convenience. but when it comes time to buy, i prefer the physical thing every time. i don't see why i'd spend $9.99 on iTunes to buy an album when i can get the same thing in better quality for the same price (sometimes less) and have an archival quality copy with full artwork that will last me my lifetime likely.

 

and with the case of my top 20-30 albums in a given year, if they are available on vinyl (which i'd say 90% are), i always buy them on vinyl instead.

 

now in the case of movies i'm more ok with physical media going away (once the quality is equivalent... which after going HD with a 50" plasma + blu-ray this past fall, might just take a while), because i only watch a single movie or TV show maybe once a year at best.

 

as for best buy, target, walmart no longer selling CD's/DVD/Blu-Ray/Games eventually... you might be right, but at the moment, those things are all sold at a lost by those retailers to get people into the store to buy higher priced items. it will require a huge changing of the guard if they no longer are able to lure people into their store through those means.

[Dr. Steve Brule]

you keep thinking that... there's ALWAYS going to be a subset of people who will need to buy a physical medium, and i'm one of them.

 

i don't buy digital music, sorry. i listen to digital music that is created by ME from my own physical media. sure digital music will surpass physical and physical will be a small portion eventually, but the fact that vinyl sales are up 800% over the last 3 years tells me something... that's a format that's been around for over a century.

 

and i guess if you think that people are going to forgive the concept of artwork for albums in the future, i weep for future generations, cuz that's just lame and lazy.

 

i'm not saying it's the most important thing, but to write it off as quickly as you seemed to do, is dismissing decades worth of great album artwork.

 

 

What he said.

 

Plus you're not going to get a hot poster of Neko brandishing a sword with yr download. People aren't tattooing the the 0's and 1's of an mp3 on their bodies, but I bet you'll find a lot of Dark Side of the Moons.

[Analogman]

as for best buy, target, walmart no longer selling CD's/DVD/Blu-Ray/Games eventually... you might be right, but at the moment, those things are all sold at a lost by those retailers to get people into the store to buy higher priced items. it will require a huge changing of the guard if they no longer are able to lure people into their store through those means.

 

I should have said not much back catalog. Not that they carried that much to begin with. I hate buying cds in such places, and I have resorted to Amazon (lately). The Walmart here seems to have high profile new releases, and then mostly greatest hits, followed by something well known, such as Dark Side of The Moon, or whatever.

 

And of course, they also do a deal on an artist's back catalog if they have an exclusive with them. Such as the recent AC/DC and Eagles releases.

 

As a recall Best Buy has also cut down on the amount of back catlaog they once carried. Or the store here where I live has anyway. I will say that I did find the last Beach Boys cd re-master I needed in Best Buy a year or so ago.

 

I think the only store I can think of around there has a lot of back catalog is Barnes and Noble, but they price their cds at

18 dollars and up. And there is no way I am paying that much for a (single) cd.

 

The place where I had been buying cds since the early 1990s is no longer buying cds. One of the reasons being that less and less college kids were buying cds from them. It also has to do with some money problems the place is having, but they don't like to talk about that.

 

We have not had a record store here for many years now, and I don't see that changing. The place I mentioned above is actually a convenience store. The guy that use to own it was a total music freak, so he had part of the store set up like a record store. That's another reason the new owners don't want to mess with cds, they are not music freaks.

 

It may not happen right away, but I think as the big box stores quit carrying less and less cds, the time will come.

 

I once read somewhere that Walmart was right behind iTunes in terms of digital music sales. Is that correct?

[Littlebear]

i am serious - the music is the important part. artists are spending time and money on artwork now - but give it another 10 years and all songs will be purchased digitally. they won't be making cds anymore and artists won't be spending so much time worrying about a cover.

 

and we will all regret the time when we had cover arts along with the music.

 

by the way, you may not know, but Neko studied graphic arts before being a musician: that means she's an artist first, and not a singer songwriter only.

[Littlebear]

maybe so, but my guess is that it'll just become too expensive to bother with it. i don't know why you are against the digital medium, but I have fully embraced it. it is absolutely wonderful to just go to amazon and download a newly released album at midnight and listen to it on the way to work. in the past you had to wait until stores opened, get in line to check out - it was always a huge hassle. i'm very happy those days are long gone.

 

the future is going to be digital distribution for movies, video games, and music. it's simply inevitable - it's too convenient not to be the case - and the growth explosion of the digital medium compared to the continuing decline of sales for CDs just proves that people are making the switch - more everyday. Some people will still like the physical medium, but that will become a specialty item sold online on stores like amazon.com. that's exactly what vinyl is - it's a speciality item and its growth is due to more collectors getting involved. i can see it being the same thing for cds - though we are a long way away from that.

 

That said, I can easily see a day when bestbuy doesn't carry cds or dvds anymore and instead has a website that serves those products to it's customers (and gives the option of the physical medium - sorta like what blockbuster did with HD-DVD when it was obvious blu-ray was winning the format war). netflix on demand - think how amazing this service is (or can be)? you get an idea in your head you want to watch some movie and instead of having to travel to blockbuster you just go to your tv and with a few clicks the movie is playing.

 

but you do make a good point about vinyls - artists probably will continue to do artwork just to satisfy people who like to collect stuff like that. so maybe we won't see an end to it after all, but honestly i could care less what the album cover looked like for middle cyclone.

 

and that won't keep artists from being *worryin'* about nice graphics on their website

[Littlebear]

oh, and as much time as I spend on the internet, I almost never download music.

 

I'm not so sure of what will happen with this digital thing.

 

I think more important things are going to change in the future, and it will have more to do with ecology than anything else.

 

This, or the Human will die.

 

Never turn your back on Mother Earth I say.

[Analogman]

and we will all regret the time when we had cover arts along with the music.

 

by the way, you may not know, but Neko studied graphic arts before being a musician: that means she's an artist first, and not a singer songwriter only.

 

Well, the cover of this new album stinks, art degree or no art degree.

[Littlebear]

Well, the cover of this new album stinks, art degree or no art degree.

 

I don't see how it stinks. But if there's some smelling with the picture, that's good news.

[LouieB]

I just got this today. The CD booklet artwork is much better than what ended up on the cover. I would have went with the booklet cover as the album cover. She also gives us some more legal warnings in the liner notes.

You got that right. The cover itself is horrible, but the inside is nice.

 

I am skipping the rest of the posts...that's it....maybe I will read more.

 

LouieB

[Analogman]

I don't see how it stinks. But if there's some smelling with the picture, that's good news.

 

Ok - I find the artwork to be not to my liking.

[LouieB]

Ok - I find the artwork to be not to my liking.

Considering the art on the cover of Fox Confessor was brilliant, this is far less impressive for sure.

 

LouieB

[Littlebear]

Considering the art on the cover of Fox Confessor was brilliant, this is far less impressive for sure.

 

LouieB

 

Well, I prefer the Middle Cyclone one to Fox Confessor. Way more original.

[Analogman]

Well, I prefer the Middle Cyclone one to Fox Confessor. Way more original.

 

You must be French.

[Littlebear]

You must be French.

 

...but this is American:

 

[Analogman]

I am also French, Appalachian French, 3rd Generation.

[Littlebear]

I am also French, Appalachian French, 3rd Generation.

 

There had been some frenchies there?

 

No wonder I love Appalachian music!

[Analogman]

There had been some frenchies there?

 

No wonder I love Appalachian music!

 

 

Yes, and here is a tie in for this discussion:

 

 

Band/Artist: Neko Case

Date: 6/29/03

Venue: Metropolis

Location: Montreal, Canada

Source:

Notes:

Set/Track list: Disc 1

 

1. French dude Intro

2. Favorite

3. Outro With Bees

4. Flaming Sword

5. Twist The Knife

6. Stinging Velvet

7. Pretty Girls

8. Buckets of Rain

9. Ghost Wiring

10. Deep Red Bells

11. Set Out Running

12. Blacklisted

13. Knock Loud

14. Wayfaring Stranger

15. In California

16. Furnace Room Lullaby

17. Look For Me (I

[Littlebear]

And what does she say about this French dude?

[Analogman]

It's just the show MC reading a statement about how no taping is allowed. ha ha ha ha. She does not allow taping of her shows.

[LouieB]

...but this is American:

 

One of these guys is in the US House of Representatives!!!!

 

LouieB

[cryptique]

One of these guys is in the US House of Representatives!!!!

 

LouieB

Huh. For a second I thought you were kidding.

 

It's the guy in the middle.

[LouieB]

Huh. For a second I thought you were kidding.

 

It's the guy in the middle.

I wish I was kidding.....I had to check on wikipedia myself today to make sure I had heard this correctly. I saw an interview with the guy awhile back.

 

LouieB