Best Albums of the Decade (00-09)

[Kevan]

We have two months but it's time to start doing your homework! I'm aiming for top 50, but I already have a prospective list of about 70 albums, many of which I'll need to hear again; this could take a while (for me). I know my 1-2, thats about it.

 

Post lists of any length!

[Sir Stewart]

I was thinking of starting a thread for top anything music-related of the decade. May I use this thread for posting these sorts of things? (Stuff like....Top Ten Hip-Hop Singles of the '00s, Top Ten Overhyped Bands That Actually Don't Suck of the '00s...whatever you want to list.)

I'll understand if not, I can start another...

[cryptique]

I thought we'd already done this, but I guess I was thinking either of the 1990s thread or the thread where we bitched about Pitchfork's 2000s list.

 

I'll see if I can come up with my own list.

[Sir Stewart]

"Best Thread in Someone Else's Songs of the '00s"

[Kevan]

I was thinking of starting a thread for top anything music-related of the decade. May I use this thread for posting these sorts of things? (Stuff like....Top Ten Hip-Hop Singles of the '00s, Top Ten Overhyped Bands That Actually Don't Suck of the '00s...whatever you want to list.)

I'll understand if not, I can start another...

 

Of course we can! Lets party in here!

 

I hope to see some best album of the decade lists but, if not, que sera... I think those are the most fun.

[Kevan]

Can I change the thread topic? Maybe something like:

 

Music Related Lists of the 00s...

00s: Music of the Decade (lists/discussion)

[PopTodd]

I'll try to post my top 20 (or so).

And, in no real order:

 

Joe Pisapia - Daydreams

Tom Zé - Estuando o Pagode

Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Abbatoir Blues/Lyre of Orpheus

Raphael Saadiq - The Way I See It

Arcade Fire - Funeral

The Format - Dog Problems

Exploding Hearts - Guitar Romantic

Andrew Bird - The Mysterious Production of Eggs

Yo La Tengo - I Am Not Afraid of You...

Webb Brothers - Maroon

Belle & Sebastian - The Life Pursuit

Bon Iver - For Emma, Forever Ago

Tom Zé - Danç Eh Sa

Cornershop - Judy Sucks a Lemon For Breakfast

Def Leppard - YEAH!

Happy Ashtray - Weathervane

King Khan & The Shrines - What Is?!

Martin Newell - A Summer Tamarind

Songs: Ohia - Magnolia Electric Co.

Kanye West - Graduation

[Lodestar]

I've been planning on writing a little top 50 piece for some friends, but it'll take some time. Here's my current top 30 (disclaimer: I was a teenager for much of the 2000s, and a big part of the criteria is how much I listened to each album, how it affected me, how it still makes me feel now, etc.):

 

30. Gillian Welch - Time (The Revelator)

29. The Hold Steady - Separation Sunday

28. Broken Social Scene - You Forgot it in People

27. Feist - The Reminder

26. Sun Kil Moon - Ghosts of the Great Highway

25. Whiskeytown - Pneumonia

24. The Shins - Chutes Too Narrow

23. Metric - Old World Underground/Where Are You Now

22. Josh Ritter - The Animal Years

21. Wolf Parade - Apologies to the Queen Mary

20. Bright Eyes - I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning

19. Sufjan Stevens - Greetings from Michigan

18. The Weakerthans - Reconstruction Site

17. The Arcade Fire - Funeral

16. Ryan Adams - Cold Roses

15. Sarah Harmer - You Were Here

14. Songs: Ohia - Magnolia Electric Co.

13. Wilco - A Ghost is Born

12. Ryan Adams - Gold

11. The Decemberists - Castaways and Cutouts

10. The Wrens - The Meadowlands

9. Joanna Newsom - Ys

8. Sarah Harmer - All of Our Names

7. Bon Iver - For Emma, Forever Ago

6. The National - Boxer

5. Ryan Adams - Love is Hell

4. Pilate - Caught by the Window

3. Damien Rice - O

2. Ryan Adams - Heartbreaker

1. Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

[Kevan]

I'd forgotten about Dog Problems! Thats def. near the top for me. I looove that album.

 

Also, I feel like I'm the only person who prefers Cassadaga to Wide Awake. Maybe it's because I've only listened to Wide Awake, like, thrice, and it never grabbed me.

[Lodestar]

 

Also, I feel like I'm the only person who prefers Cassadaga to Wide Awake. Maybe it's because I've only listened to Wide Awake, like, thrice, and it never grabbed me.

 

I can't staaaaand Cassadaga. I mean, there are parts of every Bright Eyes album (and song, really) that piss me off, but that whole record grates on me like no other.

[Gobias Industries]

My newest list:

 

1. Arcade Fire - Funeral

2. Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

3. Radiohead - Kid A

4. Brian Wilson - SMiLE

5. OutKast - Stankonia

6. Bon Iver - For Emma, Forever Ago

7. Joe Strummer & the Mescaleros - Streetcore

8. The Avalanches - Since I Left You

9. Jay-Z - The Blueprint

10. The Strokes - Is This It

11. Animal Collective - Merriweather Post Pavilion

12. Modest Mouse - The Moon & Antarctica

13. Bob Dylan - "Love & Theft"

14. The White Stripes - White Blood Cells

15. Kanye West - Late Registration

16. LCD Soundsystem - Sound of Silver

17. Sigur Rós - Ágætis byrjun

18. Sufjan Steves - Illinois

19. Fleet Foxes - Fleet Foxes

20. Loretta Lynn - Van Lear Rose

 

I might expand to 25, not sure though. Not sure if I could fill out to 25.

[Kevan]

Preliminarily

 

1. Kid A

2. YHF

3. Perfect Circle - 13th Step

4. Elliott Smith - Figure 8

5. Deerhunter - Microcastle

6. Nine Inch Nails - With Teeth

7. Sufjan - Illinoise

8. AGIB

9. Flaming Lips - Yoshimi...

10. Radiohead - In Rainbows

11. Dave Matthews Band - Lillywhite Sessions (unreleased)

12. Gorillaz - Demon Days

13. White Stripes - Elephant

14. Of Montreal - Hissing Fauna...

15. Grizzly Bear - Veckatimest

16. Decemberists - Crane Wife

17. Format - Dog Problems

18. Decemberists - Picaresque

19. Shins - Chutes Too Narrow

20. Grizzly Bear - Yellow House

21. Strokes - Is This It?

22. Arctic Monkeys - Whatever People Say...

23. Blonde Redhead - 23

24. Spoon - Girls Can Tell

25. Ben Folds - Songs for Silverman

26. TV on the Radio - Return Cookie Mnt.

27. Wu-Tang Clan - The W

28. Perfect Circle - Mer de Noms

29. Thao Nguyen... - We Brave Bee Stings and All

30. White Stripes - White Blood Cells

31. Elliott Smith - ...Basement...

32. White Stripes - Get Behind Me, Satan

33. SBS

34. Vampire Weekend

35. Beck - Mellow Gold

36. Shins - Oh, Inverted World

37. Thao Nguyen... - Like the Linen

38. Radiohead - Amnesiac

39. Elf Power - In A Cave

40. Gorillaz

41. Tenacious D

42. Raconteurs - Broken Boy Soldiers

43. Band of Horses - Everything All the Time

44. Sufjan - Michigan

45. The National - Boxer

46. Radiohead - Hail to the Thief

47. Deerhunter - Cryptograms

48. Thom Torke - Eraser

49. Panda Bear - Person Pitch

50. Mermaid Ave. Vol. II

 

The range of music I've listened to is maddeningly narrow. There are many albums at or near the top of other "Best of the Decade" lists I've never heard.

[lostpassword]

1. Dead Cities, Red Seas and Lost Ghosts - M83

2. Yoshimi Battles the Pink robots - The Flaming Lips

3. The Sopthware Slump - Gradaddy

4. The Dirty South - The Drive By Truckers

5. Ys - Joanna Newsom

6. It's a Wonderful Life - Sparklehorse

7. Blueberry Boat - The Fiery Furnaces

8. Sea Change - Beck

9. The Felice Brothers - The Felice Brothers

10. Gillian Welch - Revelator

11. Embryonic - The Flaming Lips

12. The Salvation Blues - Mark Olson

13. Boys and Girls in America - The Hold Steady

14. You Are There - Mono

15. Yankee Hotel Foxtrot - Wilco

[W(TF)]

I can't do "best", 'cause I haven't heard everything. I can only say what affected me the most.

 

Leonard Cohen - 10 New Songs

Wilco - YHF

Iron & Wine - Around The Well

Bob Dylan - Modern Times

Wilco - AGIB

My Morning Jacket - At Dawn

Ryan Adams - Heartbreaker

Beck - Sea Change

Ryan Adams - Easy Tiger

Radiohead - In Rainbows

Wilco - Sky Blue Sky

Mark Knopfler - Kill To Get Crimson

Golden Smog - Another Fine Day

Sufjan Stevens - Michigan

Loose Fur - BAITUSA

Ray Lamontagne - Trouble

Lucinda Williams - Essence

Lucinda Williams - World Without Tears

Marah - Angels Of Destruction!

Mark Knopfler/Emmylou Harris - All The Roadrunning

White Stripes - Icky Thump

Townes Van Zandt - In The Beginning

Keren Ann - La Disparition

Feist - The Reminder

Solomon Burke - Don't Give Up On Me

Bruce Springsteen - Dust & Devils, Magic

Paul Simon - Surprise

Sonic Youth - Murray Street

Interpol - Our Love To Admire

Bruce Cockburn - Speechless

Wilco (The Album)

Sade - Lovers Rock

Norah Jones - Come Away With Me

David Gray - Lost Songs

 

 

OST's / tributes / compilations:

Once

P.S. I Love You

The Constant Gardener

I'm Not There

I'm Your Man

Into The Wild

Grizzly Man

[trevor]

Okay, I can say that this will definitely change between now and the end of the year...I'm also working on a list and I'm going to write up little blurbs on each album, and the order will probably shift around a bit...there's 10-15 albums that I haven't listed here that could all easily make it on in the next little bit. Also, there's a bunch of albums that I've only just heard in the past month or two--Gillian Welch's Time (the Revelator being one of them--that easily would've made it onto this list if I'd had more chance to listen to them. Same goes for all 09 releases. That being said:

 

30) Band of Horses | Everything All the Time

29) Sun Kil Moon | April

28) Songs: Ohia | Magnolia Electric Co.

27) Josh Ritter | The Animal Years

26) The Strokes | Is This It

25) Damien Rice | O

24) Elliott Smith | From A Basement on the Hill

23) TV on the Radio | Return to Cookie Mountain

22) Wilco | A Ghost is Born

21) Of Montreal | Hissing Fauna, Are You the Destroyer?

20) Wolf Parade | Apologies to the Queen Mary

19) Ryan Adams | Cold Roses

18) The Hold Steady | Separation Sunday

17) Sufjan Stevens | Come On Feel the Illinoise!

16) The National | Alligator

15) Pilate | Caught By the Window

14) Radiohead | In Rainbows

13) My Morning Jacket | At Dawn

12) Matthew Good Band | The Audio of Being

11) Bon Iver | For Emma, Forever Ago

10) Sigur Ros | Agaetis Byrjun

9) Broken Social Scene | You Forgot it in People

8) The Arcade Fire | Funeral

7) Wrens | The Meadowlands

6) Modest Mouse | The Moon and Antarctica

5) Ryan Adams | Heartbreaker

4) The National | Boxer

3) Radiohead | Kid A

2) Sun Kil Moon | Ghosts of the Great Highway

1) Wilco | Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

 

Phew. Like pulling teeth, though.

[RainDogToo]

All I could come up with for now.

 

Tom Waits- Real Gone

Tom Waits- Alice

Tom Waits- Blood Money

Tom Waits- Orphans, Brawlers, Bawlers and Bastards

Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

Wilco - A Ghost is Born

Bob Dylan- Modern Times

Bob Dylan- Love and Theft

Bob Dylan- Tell Tale Signs

M. Ward- Post War

M. Ward- Hold Time

Dr. Dog- We All Belong

Dr. Dog- Fate

Dr. Dog- Easy Beat

Heartless Bastards- All this Time

Heartless Bastards- The Mountain

Heartless Bastards- Stairs and Elevators

Loose Fur - Born Again in the USA

Joe Henry- Civilians

William Elliott Whitmore- Animals In The Dark

Elvis Costello- The Delivery Man

Dan Auerbach- Keep it Hid

Devendra Banhart- Smokey Rolls Down Thunder Canyon

Monsters of Folk- Monsters of Folk

Wilco & Billy Bragg- Mermaid Ave. Vol. II

Dr. John- N'Awlinz: Dis Dat or d'Udda

The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink robots

Devotchka- How It Ends

DeVotchKa- A Mad and Faithful Telling

Joe Strummer & the Mescaleros - Streetcore

Lucinda williams- World Without Tears

Lucinda Williams- Little Honey

Solomon Burke- Don’t Give up on Me

Ramblin Jack elliott- A Stranger Here

Norah Jones - Come Away With Me

Man Man- Rabbit Habits

Beck- Sea Change

Amy Winehouse- Back to Black

Van Morrison - Astral Weeks Live At the Hollywood Bowl

Alison Krauss, Robert Plant- Raising Sand

Levon Helm- Dirt Farmer

Feist -The Reminder

[twigboyjoe]

Working through mine in typically random, rambling order over here...

 

http://twigboyjoe.blogspot.com

 

As it explains, it's in an attempt to form a cohesive list at the end of the year.

 

So far, only one entry, next one due later...and so forth...

 

Rest assured, I'm sure Wilco, Ryan Adams & Tom Waits will feature along the way

[intodeep]

Here are my top 12:

12. Radiohead- Kid A

11. White Stripes- Elephant

10. Queens of the Stone Age- Songs for the Deaf

9. Ryan Adams- Cold Roses

8. Mastodon- Blood Mountain

7. Sleater Kinney- The Woods

6. Modest Mouse- Moon & Antartica

5. The National- Boxer

4. At the Drive In- Relationship of Command

3. And You Will Know Us By the Trail of the Dead- Source Tags & Codes

2. Arcade Fire- Funeral

1. Wilco- Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

[lizish]

Final, final list, until I forget something more:

 

My rationale was to go for albums that have fixated me. The ones I ended up destroying the CD cases of and scratching to all hell at home and in the car. Later, I did the modern equivalent and never deleted these from the Nano

 

1) Wrens – Meadowlands

 

For two years I played this everyday. It was like a load stone on how to turn 40 and navigate age, friendships and family, 'cept I had to translate it all from the male point of view. Still can't follow the lyrics.

 

2) Deadly Snakes – I’m Not Your Soldier Anymore

 

I had the old 'well they are from here, they can't be that good' doubt.No, they were a fantastic band that rivaled and bested anything from the late nineties garage music flood. Helps that Greg Cartwright was co-opted for their best album.

 

This is also something that I've bought multiple times, destroying one or two and giving away the rest.

 

3) One Hundred Dollars – Forest of Tears

 

This took about 6 months to grow into. It helped that I got them for an instore, and some of their teenage fans showed up. The teenagers explained almost everything that I had missed; there are songs of lesbian murder, surviving cancer, suicide, bad sex, and shitty mothers that my normally clueless disposition just didn't grasp. What's also neat is that the album has a twin in Jon Rae Fletcher's Oh Maria.Almost all of One Hundred Dollars used to be called 'Jon Rae and theRiver' and Oh Maria is a big apology for fucking everything up.Fletcher made the draft list below and it will be on my top 10 of theyear.

 

I'm now sort of friends with band members Simone and Ian and had the pleasure of meeting Simone's parents in the Summer. The Parents and I have a lot in common with kids about the same age, except I felt reallystrange in knowing these dark family secrets laid out bare on the album.

 

Total props to Rick White and Brian Taylor for bringing this out. If there were a category for best indie labels. Blue Fog Recording would be number one with a gold star.

 

And I'd like to thank their publicist and hair stylist and.... .

 

4) The Dirtbombs - Ultraglide in Black

 

Fantastic party album.

 

5) Rock Plaza Central - Are we Not Horses

 

This is my favourite story about the album:

 

'Banjoist Rob Carson remembers it like this... One evening Chris(singer/guitarist Chris Eaton) said to me, "I think the next record isgoing to be all about robot horses."

 

"Robot horses?" I replied.

 

"Robot horses. In fact, six-legged robot horses. But the problem, of course,is that they think they're real horses."

 

Blink.

 

Chris went on, "You remember the war between the angels and the humans from the last record, right?"

 

As a matter of fact, I didn't. And furthermore, even to this day, it seems that no one in the band quite understands what the hell Chris is talking about when he mentions the war. And he mentions it a lot. Our first record was a largely improvised affair at the House of Miracles with Andy Magoffin - it was only the third time we had everplayed together as a band, with most of the songs arranged totally on the fly and recorded in a single take. When all the dust had settled,Chris reflected on what had made its way onto tape and he seemed to have decided that a few of the songs fit together to tell the story ofan apocalyptic war between angels and human beings. But to be honest, I still don't quite see where he got this. In case you're wondering - and by this point you probably are - Chris wasn't seriously into Rush orKing Crimson or Emerson Lake and Palmer when he was a teenager'

 

6) Royal City - Alone at the Microphone

 

Late to fandom. I had gotten the 2004 disc, but it was all religious and preachy in a obvious way, so I gave up on a band that everyone elseseemed to love. Got the 2009 anthology and presto-chango immediately bought Alone at the Microphone. For the Jim Guthrie fans, this is a must, but it is Aaron Ritchies that is the main talent. The song Bad Luck is a masterpiece.

 

7) Broken Family Band - Welcome Home Loser

 

I must have racked up $200 in expensive Amazon UK charges getting the catalog. Bad part is think I've infected the love with about 30 other people and their subsequent credit cards. RIP

 

8) Reigning Sound - Time Bomb High School

 

Cartwright is the artist of this and the last decade.

 

9) Weakerthans - Left and Leaving

 

Nobody holds a candle to Samson's lyrics. Nobody! And this is the best they have done in a string of great stuff.

 

10) The National - Alligator

 

I think the Vincent Moon videos helped this record rather than hindered it. The vid for Daughters of Soho Riots is incredible and seeing them do this in front of a small audience at the Horseshoe was intense. My sister and I started making fun of 'never opens his eyes' Berringer butthat did not detract from the experience.

 

11) Richard Buckner - The Hill

 

Getting on a mail list and learning about Buckner was a revelation in 2001. I still think this is better than all the others.

 

12) Wilco and Billy Bragg - Mermaid Avenue 2

 

High point for a band I used to worship.

 

13) New Pornographers - Mass Romantic.

 

The perfect vacuuming the house album. I'm serious.

 

14) Songs: Ohia - Come Un Fantasma.

 

Toss up between this and Trials and Errors. It was in 2004 and a small local show with like 20 other people that hooked me; well that and thehorns.

 

15) You Am I - Convicts and the Convict Stain

 

Of any band, I wish they had a better decade. It was never really between this and Dress Me Slowly for my list, but I felt bad about not putting Dress Me Slowly on here. It contains some of my favourite YAI songs, but all the energy was sapped out by record company stooges. Convicts wollops you in the face.

 

16) Calexico - Feast of Wire. It's all about the imagery in Across the Wire. Seagulls picking at flooded cardboard box coffins. It hit me in the stomach.

 

and

 

17) Be Good Tanyas – Chinatown

 

Yeah I know, they imploded, started to hate each other, had kids, gotfat and still have not said they've officially broken up. They may not have been that good to begin with, but there is something extrasensory about this record which contains too many covers and lots of filler.When Sam Parton starts to sing about walking around Vancouver at night feeling equally helpless to the junkies, the tone is set and I play it5 times.

 

Embarrassing admission - I had no idea who Townes Van Zandt was until I heard this record.

 

Not embarrassing admission - I had no idea who Geoff Berner was either until I heard this record.

 

 

 

Draft List:

 

 

Royal City – Alone at the microphone

Wrens – Meadowlands

Dirtbombs – Ultraglide in Black

One Hundred Dollars – Forest of Tears

Brakes – Touchdown

Deadly Snakes – I’m not your soldier anymore

Basia Bulat – Oh My Darling

Amy Milan – 1st one

Broken Family Band - Welcome Home Loser

Reigning Sound – Time Bomb High School

Weakerthans – Left and Leaving

Josh Ritter – 3rd or 2nd album not sure which

Bonnie Prince Billy - the letdown (maybe)

Sadies – In concert Vol 1

Hank Williams – The radio show box set

Richard Buckner – The Hill

The National – Alligator

Ox – American Lo Fi

The Thermals – Body Blood and Machine

Andre Ethier – on Blue Fog

Crooked Fingers – 1st or 2nd - not sure which yet

Sun Kil Moon – Ghosts

New Pornographers – 1st one

Songs Ohia – Come un fantasma

Rae Spoon and Rodney Decroo – Truckers Memorial

Frank Turner – Poetry of the deed

Hedwig and the Angry Inch S/T (eligible?)

Sharon Jones and the Dap Kings - 100 Days 100 Nights

Constantines – Shine a light

Damien Jurado – I break chairs

Two Minute Miracles – Volume IV

Jolie Holland – Mexico City

Jon Rae Fletcher - Oh Maria

Spiritualized – Songs in A and E

Deer Tick - Born on Flag day

Spoon – ga ga ga ga

Centromatic – Love you just the same

You am I – Dress Me Slowly

Acorn – Glory Hope Mountain

Rizdales - Country Radio

Hold Steady - Boys and Girls in America. It's better than Separation Sunday.

Elliott BROOD - Mountain Meadows

Geoff Berner - We shall not flag nor fail....

Mendoza Line - Lost in Revelry

 

Very proud of the hometown component and it's pretty easy to say thatthe Rizzies, TMMs and Basia Bulat are as good as anything else on there.

 

Forgets - Round One

 

Calexico - Feast of Wire

Sleater-Kinney - The Woods

Ryan Adams - Heartbreaker

Wilco - Mermaid Avenue Part 2

 

Forgets - Round Two

 

Corb Lund - Horse Soldier, Horse Soldier

Ted Leo and the Pharmacists - Tyranny of Distance

Wig in a Box Hedwig Tribute

Ladyhawk - Ladyhawk

Matt Mays - S/T

[W(TF)]

Also, Blind Boys Of Alabama - Higher Ground

 

And some guilty pleasures; Dido - Life For Rent, and Kid Rock - Rock N Roll Jesus.

[Kevan]

Lizish, of your top 8 I've only ever heard of Wrens and have never actually heard any of that music (to my knowledge). I'll have to check that stuff out! That's my favorite part of lists like these, discovering stuff I've never heard (of).

[Sir Stewart]

I cheated, but I didn't want to fill up a bunch of spots with albums by the same artist. Plus, Do I really like YHF better than SBS? Rising Down better than Phrenology? Hell if I know.

(subject to change, of course!)

#1 - Wilco: (catalogue)

#2 - D'Angelo: Voodoo

#3 - The Kleptones: A Night At The Hip Hopera

#4 - Radiohead: Kid A

#5 - Daft Punk: Discovery

#6 - The White Stripes: (catalogue)

#7 - Beck: Sea Change

#8 - The Roots: (catalogue)

#9 - Gnarls Barkley: St. Elsewhere

#10 - Bob Dylan: "Love & Theft"

#11 - Beastie Boys: To The 5 Boroughs

#12 - Sparklehorse: Dark Night of the Soul

#13 - David Byrne & Brian Eno: Everything That Happens Will Happen Today

#14 - KanYe West: (catalogue)

#15 - Sharon Jones & The Dap-Kings: (catalogue)

#16 - M.I.A.: Kala

#17 - Yo La Tengo: (catalogue)

#18 - The Chemical Brothers: We Are The Night

#19 - The Streets: Original Pirate Material

#20 - Arcade Fire: Funeral

#21 - Amy Winehouse: Back To Black

#22 - Sonic Youth: Murray Street

#23 - M. Ward: Post-War

#24 - Neko Case: Fox Confessor Brings The Flood

#25 - U2: (catalogue)

[lizish]

Lizish, of your top 8 I've only ever heard of Wrens and have never actually heard any of that music (to my knowledge). I'll have to check that stuff out! That's my favorite part of lists like these, discovering stuff I've never heard (of).

 

Hope you end up liking at least some of it. My musical taste is pretty narrow, and I've grown to admit and accept this, like any other addiction.

 

You need some samples, just ask.

[mpolak21]

 

I am not seeing this on enough lists.

 

--Mike

[Kevan]

Hope you end up liking at least some of it. My musical taste is pretty narrow, and I've grown to admit and accept this, like any other addiction.

 

You need some samples, just ask.

 

Thanks!

 

I'm hoping for an assist from the local public library.