kidsmoke Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Wild cheering in Egypt. Now maybe things can begin moving in a better direction. http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/02/11/egypt.protests/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
embiggen Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 but who will take his place? the government is in the hands of the military now. I think the people should get what they want, but they should also have an idea of who they want to replace Mubarek. this is kind of scary. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kidsmoke Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share Posted February 11, 2011 I know. It must suck to be the average Egyptian right now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Yeah, I love democracy as much as the next person, but we're going to watch a lot of sausage being made before Egypt sits down for a barbeque. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
u2roolz Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Anderson Cooper said that Mubarek already had his right hand man in line to take over for him. This right hand man is pretty much in charge of a lot of these dirty & brutal tactics that they have been using for the past couple of decades. If this does happen, then it doesn't sound too great at all. It would be like Adolph Hitler stepping down and being replaced by Hannibal Lecter. Of course, if there was a time machine involved and one of them was real. But in all seriousness, I hope that they know who this right hand man is and not just everyone else in the world. It would be a huge shame, if all of this was done and then this other a-hole takes over. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tugmoose Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 "Thirty years of autocratic rule down the drain!" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 My mother in law has a trip booked to Egypt in April. She swears everything will be cool by then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tugmoose Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 For some perspective, consider that when Mubarak first took power the Cavaliers' losing streak was still in single digits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Inside of Outside Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 "Thirty years of autocratic rule down the drain!"Ha! For some perspective, consider that when Mubarak first took power the Cavaliers' losing streak was still in single digits.Ha! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dark Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 well they dont eat a whole lot of sausage over there so I am guessing its going to be real messy My take is there is cute little puppy named democracy being born there but in the end it will be a ravenous wolf Yeah, I love democracy as much as the next person, but we're going to watch a lot of sausage being made before Egypt sits down for a barbeque. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 well they dont eat a whole lot of sausage over thereYou'd be surprised. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Mubarak was certainly a despotic, authoritarian, totalitarian dicatator. But consider in the 30 years he has ruled after Sadat was assassinated, Egypt has been friendly if not quite a full ally of The United States and has been at peace with Israel. The coming regime will more than likely be neither. We've supported the Arab dictators for 65 years because they feared us less than they feared the Soviets and would nominally support us. Now they are scared to death of the fundamantalists and are trying to walk a tight rope. Lovely that the Egyptian people seem to be on the verge of a popularly elected government, but, if we are truly realistic here, it must be recognized that this will not be to our advantage. We've spent our treasure and the lives of thousands of young men and women all over the world in the last 7 decades, and the world largely despises us. We are the demonized where we were once lionized. Maybe it's time to bring our men and women home, cut off the spigot of cash being sent in aid and try to rebuild. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dark Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Mubarak was certainly a despotic, authoritarian, totalitarian dicatator. But consider in the 30 years he has ruled after Sadat was assassinated, Egypt has been friendly if not quite a full ally of The United States and has been at peace with Israel. The coming regime will more than likely be neither. We've supported the Arab dictators for 65 years because they feared us less than they feared the Soviets and would nominally support us. Now they are scared to death of the fundamantalists and are trying to walk a tight rope. Lovely that the Egyptian people seem to be on the verge of a popularly elected government, but, if we are truly realistic here, it must be recognized that this will not be to our advantage. We've spent our treasure and the lives of thousands of young men and women all over the world in the last 7 decades, and the world largely despises us. We are the demonized where we were once lionized. Maybe it's time to bring our men and women home, cut off the spigot of cash being sent in aid and try to rebuild. I agree with much that you have said ...... but as far as the world largely despises us I disagree, I think much of the world envys us. I think those that despise us have over the years due to Soviet and other influences have a perverted view point of us. The Islamic World, at least the fundamentalist sects despise us due to their evil hatred of Israel and our support of Israel, in addition they see us as decadent, to which I say F em. This is not to say we havent made some tragic errors over the years over that have contributed to some in world hating us. Your point about us spending our treasure and the lives of thousands of our young men and women is precisely why Europe, some of Asia and others enjoy freedom. We are entering to a great unknown with what has happened in Egypt ... I would like to be optimistic because I want all people to live in peace and freedom but as we can see by the two recent democratic elections in the Middle East (Lebanon and Gaza) I am greatly concerned we will end up with something very poisonous. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Enjoy the moment, people. All of a sudden everyone's a hardened expert on Egyptian politics. They threw the bum out. Hopefully he doesn't get the billions he's rumored to have transferred out of the country. Sure, it may turn out badly, but no one knows. They have a right to self-governance and many people seem to resent the Egyptian people for asserting that right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Enjoy the moment, people. All of a sudden everyone's a hardened expert on Egyptian politics. They threw the bum out. Hopefully he doesn't get the billions he's rumored to have transferred out of the country. Sure, it may turn out badly, but no one knows. They have a right to self-governance and many people seem to resent the Egyptian people for asserting that right. I assume you are refering to me. So be it.I may be pessimistic here, but history does not lend any reasons for optimism. Doey eyed joy and optimism are simply naive.But Realpolitik is what it is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dark Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I assume you are refering to me. So be it.I may be pessimistic here, but history does not lend any reasons for optimism. Doey eyed joy and optimism are simply naive.But Realpolitik is what it is.Might be refering to me as well .... I want to be optimistic but I am very realistic about the prospects this ends badly .... the track record in the Middle East with Democracy isnt a good one .... Lebanon and Gaza are examples .....Lebanon's elections were hijacked by fundamentalists from Iran and in Gaza it was Hamas which is tied to the Muslim Brotherhood Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I wasn't directing my post at anyone in particular. I was reacting to comments I had read here and elsewhere. Part of the appeal of democracy (and hopefully they will have it) is that no one knows what will happen. There's a lot of space for imagination and possibility. Would you prefer that the Egyptian people were still saddled with Mubarak? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dark Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I wasn't directing my post at anyone in particular. I was reacting to comments I had read here and elsewhere. Part of the appeal of democracy (and hopefully they will have it) is that no one knows what will happen. There's a lot of space for imagination and possibility. Would you prefer that the Egyptian people were still saddled with Mubarak? No I wouldnt want them to be saddled with Mubarak ..... my pessimism comes from being really excited for the pro democracy developments in Lebanon several years ago.. I was very hopeful that democracy would start to bloom in the Middle East only to have it hijacked by Hezbollah and Iran Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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