hwllo Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 You can only charge what people are willing to pay. If people are willing to spend that much on tickets they might not have been able to purchase initially, then that's what the market dictates. My question is this, after reading ditty's comment multiple times, I'm still not sure what his argument/solution is. My presale tickets are paperless. If I can't use them, what's my recourse? Did this stop people from buying tickets to sell in the secondary market? Scalpers can't use paperless tickets. They have nothing to sell. paperless tickets would almost eliminate scalping Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lamradio Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Paperless tickets - http://www.ticketmaster.com/paperless = the end of scalpers The scalpers will just start selling credit cards. "Ticket validated credit card.. Hundred bucks". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 But what can I do if I can't go to the show that I bought tickets for? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ditty Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 But what can I do if I can't go to the show that I bought tickets for? your SOL, but how many times has that happened to you over the years? In the 430 shows I've been too over 25 years I can honestly say I have never had to sell tickets Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MountainGerbil Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 You can only charge what people are willing to pay. If people are willing to spend that much on tickets they might not have been able to purchase initially, then that's what the market dictates. I suppose. That argument is, of course, mostly correct (I'd argue that the the market has some serious flaws because the ticket brokers overcharge with the understanding that not all of their tickets will get sold). But so what? Why should going to a rock concert be an exercise in capitalism? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lamradio Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 In the 430 shows I've been too over 25 years I can honestly say I have never had to sell tickets Same here. Although I've known several people over the years that just miss shows for one reason or another. Not to bash these people, but come on.. Find a way to go to the damn show! I know there are emergencies etc., but any other reason is just unacceptable IMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 your SOL, but how many times has that happened to you over the years? In the 430 shows I've been too over 25 years I can honestly say I have never had to sell tickets I think that's a high price to pay just for the sake of avoiding someone selling tickets for a little more than face value. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rusty Shackleford Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Scalpers can't use paperless tickets. They have nothing to sell. paperless tickets would almost eliminate scalping No, paperless tickets would just ensure that the venue and/or primary ticketer get a cut of the secondary market. See: "TicketExchange." It's not too far removed from the StubHub model, where you can buy print-at-home tickets from primary ticketholders and pay a fee to the secondary market provider. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ditty Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I think that's a high price to pay just for the sake of avoiding someone selling tickets for a little more than face value. I currently see Detroit tickets going for up to $284 each...just a little more than face value (5 times more!) I for one am willing to take the chance, if you think there is a chance you can't go, you don't buy tickets. We all make these choices every day in life with all kinds of things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I currently see Detroit tickets going for up to $284 each...just a little more than face value (5 times more!) I for one am willing to take the chance, if you think there is a chance you can't go, you don't buy tickets. We all make these choices every day in life with all kinds of things. You just have to wait for the price to come down. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
-seven Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I'm willing to eat the price of the ticket if I can't go to a show for some reason but it would bother me to have an empty seat at the venue rather than allow some other fan to use it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ditty Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 No, paperless tickets would just ensure that the venue and/or primary ticketer get a cut of the secondary market. See: "TicketExchange." It's not too far removed from the StubHub model, where you can buy print-at-home tickets from primary ticketholders and pay a fee to the secondary market provider. I don't see it that way. On sale day - I buy two ticketsDay of show to enter in I get in line - instead of handing the usher my tickets, they scan my credit card to get in and my guest and I go directly in. On Tom Waits last tour he did Paperless and from everything I read, things went very smooth and THE FANS got the tickets, not the secondary market. You just have to wait for the price to come down. Sure, of course. But I won't pay 1 cent over face so I just won't go. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hwllo Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 You just have to wait for the price to come down. But I thought that everyone's argument in favor of scalpers was that you didn't have to wait till the last minute to find tickets and it's ore convenient. But now you're saying you have to wait until the show gets closer, then hope the tickets you want get a little cheaper and don't get sold? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 But I thought that everyone's argument in favor of scalpers was that you didn't have to wait till the last minute to find tickets and it's ore convenient. But now you're saying you have to wait until the show gets closer, then hope the tickets you want get a little cheaper and don't get sold? If you're unwilling to pay a certain price, then you have to wait for them to come down. Otherwise, you can buy them whenever you want. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Autumnteeth Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 autumnteeth, i think you are over-thinking things...spin the clock back 20 years ago and a band the profile of Wilco would easily be playing arenas. the fact that they are playing ~2-3K theaters means that tickets are in more demand. and do you think 'real fans' never buy off stubhub or ebay or the like? how did you get to that conclusion? maybe they got shutout like everyone else, and wanted to go to the show regardless. maybe the true answer is to do a dutch auction on ebay for every single seat. then the market would decide. but i'm guessing the average price would be a lot more than it is now (at least for some tickets). I agree. 100%. I will end up buying because I love seeing them live. Thanks for pointing out wht I already knew. That was the democrat in me, and I am pissed I wil break my own rules, but suplyand demand are basic economics, and my socialism thing is idiotic. I didnt even have the character to do stub hub., I went to the Wal Mart equivalent, ebay. Wanted to see them, wanted to sit with my girls to walk them through every song, so paid way more. It is good to know when you are a hypocriate, better to have to answer to it, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Autumnteeth Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 The one thing I dont understand is how bands miss this point. If I were in a band, and tickets on the secondary market were 4 times what I charged, heads would roll. I would ask why the hell didnt I get this money, why did scalpers get it. And props to tinnitus. He / she got me down pat. I folded like a cheap suit. Let me know where you are sitting if you at 12/12 show and first couple beers on me. Thanks for the reality check. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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