caliber66 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Dick tionary?Graham Marr. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 This is probably another statement that you would prefer to ignore http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57403200-503544/obama-if-i-had-a-son-hed-look-like-trayvon/ Are you f'ing serious man? Did you actually read what I posted or not? I am guess not, considering I linked to that exact same speech in the post you quoted and discussed it. If you are going to use my words in a quote please read it before you do so. Here is the problem with this board at times (and the internet as a whole), we all think posters think one way and never actually read what they post. We have become lazy and unfortunately that is too bad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Are you f'ing serious man? Did you actually read what I posted or not? I am guess not, considering I linked to that exact same speech in the post you quoted and discussed it. If you are going to use my words in a quote please read it before you do so. Here is the problem with this board at times (and the internet as a whole), we all think posters think one way and never actually read what they post. We have become lazy and unfortunately that is too bad. Nah...I just wanted to watch you twist off (as one who twists off quite often, I enjoy it.)So sue me. Call me a troll.But discussing the politics of race, the race pimps and the holy crushers is really not going to lead to much rational discussion anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Race is still pretty much the essential issue in this country and will become even more so as we move toward the point where white people will no longer be the majority and Spanish will be as common a language as English in most parts of the country. It is my hope that out of all the irrational talk and exploitation of the issue by all bands of the political spectrum that some rationality and mutual understanding one day arises. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Don Draper Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 The media did their best to paint Zimmerman as a white racist, going so far as to edit his call to the police and declaring that he'd uttered a racist epithet, despite the fact that he wasn't white and African-American friends and neighbors swore that he wasn't a racist. Hell, he's part black himself.I don't condone the editing of the tapes at all - that was reprehensible, but: For one, I don't ever think I heard Zimmerman referred to as white. Though I did stop following this story about two days after I heard about it, because it was going nowhere productive. Second, you probably didn't intend to phrase it this way, but non-whites have the capacity to be racist too. Third, having part-____ blood does not erase your capacity to be racist against folks who you may share a race with. To suggest that biracial people do not have the capacity to be racist doesn't seem to hold up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Don Draper Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Race is still pretty much the essential issue in this country and will become even more so as we move toward the point where white people will no longer be the majority and Spanish will be as common a language as English in most parts of the country. It is my hope that out of all the irrational talk and exploitation of the issue by all bands of the political spectrum that some rationality and mutual understanding one day arises.Reading this was the first time it became crystal clear to me that all media now is politics. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Except for the newspaper I edit, yes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hixter Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 For one, I don't ever think I heard Zimmerman referred to as white.Zimmerman, who is whitethe unarmed African-American teenager was shot and killed by a white neighborhood watch captain in a gated Florida community28-year-old George Zimmerman, a white neighborhood watch captain Second, you probably didn't intend to phrase it this way, but non-whites have the capacity to be racist too.Third, having part-____ blood does not erase your capacity to be racist against folks who you may share a race with. To suggest that biracial people do not have the capacity to be racist doesn't seem to hold up.I'm sure that there are white people who are racist against white people, but i think my point was clear: there is no evidence to prove that Zimmerman was racist against African-Americans. Once it became clear that Zimmerman had brown skin, the media resorted to calling Zimmerman a "white Hispanic." When is the last time you heard them refer to the president as a "white African-American" because he is half Caucasian? George Zimmerman's neighbor said all that needed to be said: Though civil rights demonstrators have argued Zimmerman should not have prejudged Martin, one black neighbor of the Zimmermans said recent history should be taken into account. "Let's talk about the elephant in the room. I'm black, OK?" the woman said, declining to be identified because she anticipated backlash due to her race. She leaned in to look a reporter directly in the eyes. "There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood," she said. "That's why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NoJ Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Well the race is onAnd here comes Pride up the backstretchHeartaches are going to the insideMy Tears are holding backThey're trying not to fallMy Heart's out of the runningTrue Love's scratched for another's sakeThe race is on and it looks like HeartachesAnd the winner loses all Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Zimmerman, who is whitethe unarmed African-American teenager was shot and killed by a white neighborhood watch captain in a gated Florida community28-year-old George Zimmerman, a white neighborhood watch captain I'm sure that there are white people who are racist against white people, but i think my point was clear: there is no evidence to prove that Zimmerman was racist against African-Americans. I always hate this tit for tat kinda thing, but I think it necessary to do it, cause it explains my point. The Chris Lane case that was initially referenced by Hixter that kinda reignited the Travyon Martin/Race has been shown to be a ginned up outrage by the right. The Right wanted so badly to fit their narrative and expose the left as frauds or something they simply made up the races of the assailants or left out the mug shots of one of the teenagers because he was white. On the left leaning Maddow Blog they had this post which is an interesting read. It sums up how the Right is just using this tragedy and nothing more. It is sickening. http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/08/26/20197642-the-right-seizes-on-christopher-lanes-killing?lite Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Once it became clear that Zimmerman had brown skin, the media resorted to calling Zimmerman a "white Hispanic." When is the last time you heard them refer to the president as a "white African-American" because he is half Caucasian? White is a race. Hispanic is an ethnicity. Vicente Fox is a white Hispanic. David Ortiz is a black Hispanic. It can have important medical implications, but that of course is not why the media outlets were pointing it out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 White is a race. Hispanic is an ethnicity. Vicente Fox is a white Hispanic. David Ortiz is a black Hispanic. It can have important medical implications, but that of course is not why the media outlets were pointing it out.That's how the federal government looks at it too..... You are either Hispanic or not and then you are white, black, Asian, native American, etc. LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hixter Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 The Chris Lane case that was initially referenced by Hixter that kinda reignited the Travyon Martin/Race has been shown to be a ginned up outrage by the right. Did "the Right" gin up the racist tweets by one of the murderers? The Maddow piece you linked to contains this gem: In reality, one of the alleged shooters is black, one is white, and one is of mixed racial heritage. But for the Fox News correspondent, this became "three African American young men."So, one of the murderers isn't actually African-American because his mother is white. But in the case of our president, he's African-American. So it's terrible when Fox calls a mixed-race murderer "African-American" but it's not when the media calls our mixed-race president the same thing? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Don Draper Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 How does Rachel Maddow refer to Obama? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 So, one of the murderers isn't actually African-American because his mother is white. But in the case of our president, he's African-American. So it's terrible when Fox calls a mixed-race murderer "African-American" but it's not when the media calls our mixed-race president the same thing? I guess it kinda goes to context. What was the purpose of calling the murders African-American? Was it to describe them? Or was it to something else? It is the same thing you pointed out with Zimmerman. The press called him white. Which is not correct. They wanted to make a statement. Just as when some right-wing media types say Barack Hussein Obama (with extra emphases on Hussein). They are not doing because that is his name they do it because they want to make a statement about who he is (or what his scary middle eastern sounding name is.) However remember FoxNews called all three murders African - American. Which is completely untrue. If it was said that two where African-American and one was white I think there would be less of a problem, but they did not. They called all three African-American. Was it just a factual mistake? Was it later corrected and apologized for? In the case of Drudge ask yourself why he left off the white teen's mug shot. You get so upset that Zimmerman was called white. Should the same standard be held when one of these murders were called African-American? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Well, the prosecutor has already put out a statement saying that race was not a factor in the Christopher Lane case. Not the defense. The prosecutor. So there is that.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/26/christopher-lane-murder-race-not-motive_n_3816705.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl2%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D363798 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hixter Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Well, the prosecutor has already put out a statement saying that race was not a factor in the Christopher Lane case. Not the defense. The prosecutor. So there is that.The prosecutor in the Zimmerman case said the same thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 How does Rachel Maddow refer to Obama? Hopefully as PBO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Chris Lane's murderers (sorry edited for Hix) are in police custody. Are they not?George Zimmerman is at his local Olive Garden and Trayvon Martin is rotting in the ground Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hixter Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Chris Lane is in police custody.Oh really? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Chris Lane is in police custody.George Zimmerman is at his local Olive Garden and Trayvon Martin is rotting in the ground You sir, are an idiot. But when you do figure it out remember that it is ok refer to a white murder as an African American, but you can't refer to a non-white Hispanic as White. Or at least that is what I learned today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 You sir, are an idiot. But when you do figure it out remember that it is ok refer to a white murder as an African American, but you can't refer to a non-white Hispanic as White. Or at least that is what I learned today. George Zimmerman, though his skin is browner than a white man's, is a white Hispanic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 George Zimmerman, though his skin is browner than a white man's, is a white Hispanic. All I am saying is that people seem to have a problem when George Zimmerman was referred to as white, but yet have no issues when one of the murders in the Chris Lane case is incorrectly referred to as African American. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hixter Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 George Zimmerman, though his skin is browner than a white man's, is a white Hispanic.Perhaps, but it's a distinction that isn't seen outside of census forms. it's quite clear from their own reporting that media outlets adopted the term after their original attempt to brand him as white man were defeated when his photo was published. But they had to keep fanning the flames of racial tension, so poof -- he became a white Hispanic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hixter Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 All I am saying is that people seem to have a problem when George Zimmerman was referred to as white, but yet have no issues when one of the murders in the Chris Lane case is incorrectly referred to as African American. As far as I know, those reports came very early as the story was breaking and someone incorrectly published a photo of an African American teen (maybe someone with the same name?) Any outlet still reporting that all 3 were African American is obviously attempting to mislead, but we live in an era where people expect their news to be instantly available, so we see a lot of early reports that are poorly sourced from tweets and Facebook accounts. The same thing happened with the Boston Bombers, Sandy Hook, etc. Hell, the president told us not to jump to conclusions about the Fort Hood shooter, despite the reports that he yelled "Allahu akbar" during his rampage. Years later, he's admitted/bragged that his act was a religiously motivated jihad, but the government still classifies the incident as "workplace violence." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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