darkstar

Out of curiosity, who would you nominate instead?

 

I think Clemens is the best I've seen. I never saw Bob Gibson pitch, however.

 

I also wonder what J.R. Richard's career might have been like, had it lasted.

If your saying all time greatest there's a few names to throw out

Cy Young

Walter Johnson

Christy Mathewson

Warren Spahn

just to name a few. Sure the Rocket is #9 in all time victories and a very great pitcher obviously, but nowhere near the greates ever...in my opinion. Think about it Cy Young 511 wins. That record will never be broken...ever. I admit to being biased. I'm a huge Sawx fan, have been for almost 40 years and I'll always consider Clemmens to be a prick. He was a whinny little bitch that didn't get what he wanted from Boston and left in a huff. Then the incessant will he or won't he retire shit the last few years. He's been stringing everyone along all season now in a display of ego you may never see again. I hope he gets shelled. Of course the bastard has sold his soul to the Devil and will win 12+ games and have an era of 1.3 or something ridiculous

Anyway...he's a great pitcher but I don't consider him to be the best ever. He is probably top 10 all time.

But he's the greatest pitcher in MLB history.

Whoa.....tell me your kidding right?

Clemmens greatest in MLB history?

There is a lot of politics and corruption in FIFA. The red cards given in the previous game were ridiculus. But the US team is weak and can't score many goals they were outta the World Cup once they let Ghana score that first goal. I was pulling for the US but pulling for the US soccer team is like pulling for the Cubs you know they are going to lose so you start complaining about how much they suck before the game starts.

Yep, you got that right. Well it's all moot now it's a final. too bad 'cause Italy won, we would have gotten through to the round of 16.

What do you think it is? I know we have good athletes and all but we just can't seem to get anything going at the international level. A lot of the guys on the US play in the Euro leauges so they have talent. Are the other nations just better tactical players or what?

The U.S. got totally jobbed on that penalty kick. That was total bullshit.

 

Yes, I'm a U.S. supporter, so I'm biased ... but oh my GOD that was a bad call. There have been dozens of muggings in the penalty area throughout this tournament that weren't called, and then two guys go for the ball and bump into each other and bang, it's a PK. Fuck me.

 

That said, Bocanegra(?) made a terrible mistake kicking that ball back toward the center of the field. Never should have happened ... but that's exactly the kind of bonehead error I've come to expect from this team.

Yeah I hear you. I'm biased as well. here's the deal FIFA and the rest of the world love the fact that we are not a dominant player in soccer. Any chance they get we will get screwed on calls. They don't want us to do well (and we have drawing with Italy with only 9 guys for the 2nd half). That orginization is as crooked as any politician. The love Brazil, Italy, and Germany so...also consider an African nation hosts next world cup. FIFA would love to have an African nation go far in this years world cup.

It's all politics, and from an orginization that allegedly lauds good sportsmanship. What a joke. We're gonna get knocked out today, unfortunately.....I'd be (happily) surprised to score 2 more goals and not have some bonehead FIFA lackey ref loose it for us...of course there is the fact that the US is not exactly an offensive juggernaught...but screw that, easier to blame the ref than our poor play

Yeah...I usually root for Ireland.........funny scene in the movie "The Van" the folks in Dublin rooting heavy for Ireland back in 90 when they faced Italy in the quarters. Italy ends up winning on a goal by a guy named Scolarchi (or something like that), next day the lead guy in the movie is wearing an Irish national t-shirt, with a big "Fuck Scolarchi" written across it.....anyways

Man the U.S. is in a tough group Italy, Czech Republic, Ghana.........Was gonna see US Vs. Morroco tonight here in Nashville, but can't make it