hwllo

 

You can only charge what people are willing to pay. If people are willing to spend that much on tickets they might not have been able to purchase initially, then that's what the market dictates.

 

My question is this, after reading ditty's comment multiple times, I'm still not sure what his argument/solution is. My presale tickets are paperless. If I can't use them, what's my recourse? Did this stop people from buying tickets to sell in the secondary market?

Scalpers can't use paperless tickets. They have nothing to sell. paperless tickets would almost eliminate scalping

I think people complaining about not getting tickets is sort of a cop out. If you REALLY WANT TICKETS. You will stay by your computer for the pre-sales and when they go on sale for the general public. I've never ever ever been shut out of a show. And i've seen some great ones.

 

I think its great they can sell out the 2000-3000 seaters. And they shouldnt go bigger than that. Unless its a special occasion. Like opening for Neil Young. or something.

it sounds like quite a few people waited by their computers for every opportunity and got shut out. some of the shows sold out in minutes

Wilco is not a jam band, and neither is my morning jacket.

both bands are similar in that they write intricately structured songs which include guitar solo sections which more often than not are played pretty similarly night in night out.

both bands might play some songs a little longer on any given night, but they are planned. I personally do not care for jam bands, i know it takes talent, but it reeks of indecision to me. Like they can't decide what they want to do so they play a song 20 minutes and do everything haha.

I go by the theory that shorter is better because it forces you to make decisions and make everything count. I don't mean i want songs to be 2 minutes, i just mean i like that wilco is thoughtful enough to write a song how they like it, and play it that way.

 

I am still in limbo on a ticket I don't know if i bought or didnt. I go through the whole nightmare, typed bfsndne gabbler on captcha, get one ticket, go through the screens,get to the final one, and hit submit. Waited for three minutes. Got an email from ticketmaster, saying here is your ticket, but on the screen got a message there is a problem with your order. I got back in, got another, but gave it up when I realized if I did get the first one then I would be over the limit and lose all of them.

 

The thing that makes me mad is I am not a scalper. I am a father of two daughters who love Wilco and this is their big Christmas gift, I emailed ticket master, and got an awesome response back: Due to the high volume of emails due to ticketing problems we will not be able to respond to you. great. This is now how I am going to live my life. Due to the major screw up I made I will not be responding to complaints about bad CHECK ONE: WORK, PARENTING, SPOUSING.

 

I see all the stuff on stub hub and am not happy. Still, I am happy Wilco got involved and has taken measures to stop it. My solution is if it is seen on stubhub, etc. it is taken back and resold. Can't encourage the scalpers so I will keep trying legit means.

I'm sorry to hear that! That sounds like a mess. I also was in the same boat in terms of wanting 3 seats but only able to get two through presale. It's just such a mess cause I remember 5 years ago having no problems getting these tickets. I'm glad wilco is getting more recognized, but unfortunately in cases of these small shows it's at the harcore fans expense, so to speak

 

You would have to figure. They've always added a second show.

 

Someone in the other thread was saying the 400 tickets on Stubhub equals a quarter of the tickets. The opera house only holds 1600? That seems small.

yeah i guess i was wrong, it holds like 3,600! I didn't realize it was that big

With the difficulty getting Tix to Wilco shows growing should they start to play bigger venues?. I got lucky to get into the Ryman on Sunday but wanted both nights since I am driving 600 miles (not complaining) other dates have sold out equally as fast. I know they would lose some of the intimacy by going to larger venues but unless you hover over your keyboard at the minute tickets go on sale you are out of luck....curious of other opinions.

I don't think they need to play larger venues, but they do need to do something about tickets.

These venues they are playing are very small, like 2,000-3,000 seats, and wilco could probably sell them out with only die hard fans.

So I say, forget presale and all that, but have something where you sign up with wilco's website and join a "fan club" (free or small lifetime fee) and then you get access to tickets for a whole week prior to public sale. Having something like that might eliminate much of the scalping and give us big fans more of a chance to get tickets.

They might be removed, but there are 415 stubhub wilco tickets for chicago, and that is a very significant portion of scalpers that got tickets while us fans got shut out.

I'm not sure the solution, but having about a quarter of the seats going to scalpers in unacceptable. Maybe make ALL tickets will call and the cardholder needs to be present? Tom Waits did it and I think it worked ok

I'm quite frustrated right now. I wanted to get my brother and his fiancee Wilco tickets for Minneapolis as a birthday gift. Got on there at noon, floor seats came up, and when i clicked continue with purchase, a ticketmaster error popped up and the tickets were gone. Now it's sold out. Fantastic! can't wait to see those seats on stubhub. what a joke

i always feel like nels needs to be turned up during the end of one wing. he always sounds too low in the mix to me

what have they played so far, just got in

So they wouldn't let you get more than 2 seats, yet for the chicago show there are already scalpers that have more than 2 seats together.

....sounds about right

should have been a 1 ticket limit! lots of people would have gotten seats!

You can wait for the general onsale then and get more tickets at one time. Presales are hard to get tickets for, so they offer more people a chance at a couple of tickets. Not dumb iMO,.

anyone know how many presale tickets they sold? regardless scalpers will have a field day for the general onsale and the remaining tickets will probably sell out before they even go on sale

i'm actually pretty upset about the two ticket limit.

so if me and two friends want to go one of us would have to sit alone? i get you want to stop scalpers, but when you're doing a small theater tour it's pretty easy to do without setting up a two ticket lmiit

two ticket limit is pretty dumb in my opinion

Sorry if it is in poor taste to ask, but I'm not a member of waffles so I can't get it there, but does anyone know where I can find this, or perhaps PM me a download?

I can't wait to hear this on vinyl!

Unfortunately I wasn't home a lot yesterday and I'm leaving shortly today so I could only listen to it scattered about one time through, sounded good though!

when I saw him in Chicago it sounded like he did this little lick for the "voices whine" part

F..............C

Voices wine

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i made a declaration to myself with this board to only post positive comments. I get tired of the negativity on the interwebs. I'm breaking that. I've already stated on this thread that I am a lukewarm MMJ fan, who happens to revisit evil urges more than any other album of theirs. that being that, I just gave one listen (so this could change) to the new one, and i am struggling to understand what happened. One song (Beautiful, the way i feel) kept my attention. the lyrics are bad by already shaky mmj standards. man o man this is a mind blower of how off this record is. ??? jim's voice doesn't even sound right. who knows?

it doesn't help your cause that you don't even know the name of the song you liked haha.

I always thought parts of the lyrics are actually pretty ambiguous: the soldier in the song is dying for his country and family etc but at the same time there's a suggestion that he's fighting for the values of wealthier, pious citizens who aren't fysically on the battlefield.

 

Musically, it's one of the least interesting songs on their worst album.

i don't know exactly, but isn't about something in one of the wars where people could send slaves to fight instead of them and they receive money (possibly freedom?) in exchange. I always thought that's what the song was about, but i could be wrong

I swear I'm the most conflicted MMJ fan (maybe that means I'm not a real fan). I just can'y put my finger on how I feel about them. Great live show, and It Still Moves is a statement. However a lot of their recorded output sounds like amateur hour in terms of sound/production. Almost like they believe their press, like they are no where as good as their reputation. However I thought Evil Urges was real solid and the die hards hated it. And they are a tad too silly at times for my taste. Who knows? I just think I would struggle to defend them to a neasayer.

too many times bands go into studios and their output almost sounds like a tin can. everything is so clean and crisp that it doesn't sound natural at all. that's why i love MMJ, their records are raw and a lot more real sounding than most bands. Their live shows live up to their albums without any issue, which is more than a lot of bands who overdub the hell out of stuff in the studio can say

Hokey...good word to describe that album. yim yames seems to be like dylan. he puts out 3 masterpieces and then when he's king of the world, he starts joking around.

i liked evil urges, it's just that songs like sec walking and two halves sounded too cute, if that makes sense haha.

circuital though approaches that on a few songs, but doesn't take it to the same level.

My favorite tracks off circuital are

Victory Dance

Circuital

The Day is Coming- approaches Evil Urges, but I still like it, the melody is catchy!

Wonderful

First Light

Movin Away - absolutely love this one

Is there a leak out there that doesn't cut off midway through track 8?

i don't think so, i think they all cut off there.

I really like it as of right now. The last song, "Movin Away" is just fantastic. I don't mind that it's a slower album, nothing wrong with that, they have a lot of rockers in their catalog, so I'm cool with some slower tempo tunes. and they aren't as hokey sounding as Evil Urges in my opinion, they feel more organic

Chicago looks to be an aberration...maybe booking two shows there was a mistake, and they should have done one...take a look at the rest of the remaining dates. not many tickets on Stubhub.

 

http://www.stubhub.com/neil-young-tickets/

wow, holy crap. that's crazy. there's more tickets left for one chicago show then there are the other 6 combined. very strange. i know tickets went on sale a little later for the chicago show, maybe that's why. either way that's really a random thing

Yup. All pretty good songs too.

 

My favorite band is called Super Furry Animals, so I obviously like my musicians to have a sense of humor. Goofy is a terrible way to describe injecting a bit of humor in music, but nothing needs to be serious all the time.

absolutely, i love bands that can write great poetic lyrics, but at the same time, don't take themselves too seriously and can be funny at times.

and when they can do both in the same song, it's really impressive. case in point, built to spill's distopian dream girl.

My stepfather looks

Just like David Bowie

but he hates David Bowie

I think Bowie's cool

I think Lodger rules

and my stepdad's a fool

then in the same song, this line really gets me

If it came down

to your life or mine

I would do the stupid thing

and let you

keep on living

So, just curious, do you ever enjoy non-serious (or what some might call "goofy"?) music?

wilco has a bunch of tunes like that

i'm a wheel

just a kid

Wilco the song (to a certain extent)

kicking television

pecan pie

kingpin

So is it the lyrics in Holdin' On that people aren't digging? Musically I think it's a pretty neat soul throwback. Would've thought that'd go over real well here.

it's actually kind of a cover a thai pop song. the band acknowledges it so it isn't plagiarism or anything, but here is the original