MrRain422 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 No. But there's a big difference. Texas got completely destroyed, at home. Michigan lost a very close game in Columbus. That being said, as much as I'd love to see Michigan get a shot at the National Championship, I will not complain if they don't. It would be odd to be the champions of the whole nation but only be second place in the conference. Doesn't make sense. If they get the shot, I'll of course be rooting for them like a motherfucker though. Link to post Share on other sites
IATTBYB Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 If USC wins out, they deserve a shot at tOSU. If the Trojans lose to ND or UCLA, then the SEC champ (FL/HOGS) should get the shot, as long as the winner still only has one loss. Otherwise, it should be Michigan. And it is completely irrelevant to ask if UT was a 1 loss team if they deserve a shot because they lost to K-State. Might as well ask what would have happened if Crable tackled Wells for a 3 yard loss instead of missing the tackle and letting him go 50+ yds for a TD or if Crable hadn't clocked Smith in the head on an incomplete 3rd and long setting up the TD to Robiskie. Link to post Share on other sites
quarter23cd Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 I really can't decide what matchup I want to see in the championship game. I'm not sure I'm sold on the idea of "rematch" games for the championship. I don't like the idea that Michigan could be rewarded for losing to OSU by getting an opportunity to not only match that defeat but to actually trump it in a bowl game. That's kind of lame. But truthfully, right now, I'll admit that Michigan is the only opponent out there that "scares" me as a fan. I don't see myself getting as excited about watching OSU vs USC/Florida/Arkansas/etc. Maybe one of those teams could give them a great game, I don't know (I haven't watched any of them super-closely), but IMHO right now Michigan appears to be still probably the best of the 1-loss teams. The whole system is kind of problematic. I really wish there was another undefeated team out there. (I'm not overlooking you, Boise State, I just don't think the world is ready for you yet) So, problems and all, in a way I suddenly find myself almost hoping for a Michigan rematch. I do think OSU is the better overall team and would probably win again (especially given the uncharacteristic turnovers this time out), but the fact is that when these two teams get together it is almost always something special. (and beating them twice in one year would rule!) Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Yeah, but if Michigan wins, you could make an argument that it should be a split championship, since they just lost to them in their last game. It brings up too many problems. Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Michigan lost, by three points, in Columbus. They say oddsmakers automatically add three points to the home team before figuring out spreads, so call it a tie. If they met again, at a neutral location, it would be like a rubber match, even though they've only played once. Link to post Share on other sites
quarter23cd Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Yeah, but if Michigan wins, you could make an argument that it should be a split championship, since they just lost to them in their last game. It brings up too many problems.Which brings me back to my "Best 2 out of 3" suggestion... Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 I'm pretty sure most of the country does not want to see that. Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 I'm pretty sure most of the country does not want to see that. Why? Because you don't? I should preface (or postface) this by saying that I really don't care about college football much. It just seems odd to me that the two teams that everybody pretty much agrees are the two best teams in college football would be denied the chance to play each other in the title game, simply because they have already played themselves this season. Why have a title game at all, if you're going to decide in November? If Michigan is still the second-best team in the nation, and they have already gone into OSU's house and played them to within three points, I don't see why they should be disqualified from getting a shot at the title in the [whichever BCS bowl is the title game this year (see how much this means to me?)]. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Why? Because you don't? Duh. And because it works the same way as the Yankees-Red Sox. It was interesting in 2004. Now it's oversaturated the market, and pretty much nobody outside of Boston or NY even cares about it now. Let the rivalry play normally, don't force it on people. Link to post Share on other sites
quarter23cd Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Michigan lost, by three points, in Columbus. They say oddsmakers automatically add three points to the home team before figuring out spreads, so call it a tie. If they met again, at a neutral location, it would be like a rubber match, even though they've only played once. If there's a rematch, I'd rather see it played in Ann Arbor than Arizona. OSU/UM in the desert is just wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Duh. And because it works the same way as the Yankees-Red Sox. It was interesting in 2004. Now it's oversaturated the market, and pretty much nobody outside of Boston or NY even cares about it now. Let the rivalry play normally, don't force it on people. Rivalry, shmivalry. It should be about the two best teams in college football playing each other, period. That's the whole point of the BCS, right? [Yes, I know it's about money] Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 It's all about the benjamins, and I can't tell if most people want to see them play again, or if that would be boring. My personal opinion is in the middle. If Michigan is the best team, fine let them play, but it would be unfair to the Gators or Trojans if they don't get at least a shot. Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 It's all about the benjamins, and I can't tell if most people want to see them play again, or if that would be boring. My personal opinion is in the middle. If Michigan is the best team, fine let them play, but it would be unfair to the Gators or Trojans if they don't get at least a shot. I see what you're saying, and this situation does nothing but reinforce how fucked up the BCS is. Link to post Share on other sites
Jay Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 On the radio this morning the point that Michigan shouldn't get a rematch because they already "had their shot" was brought up. That Link to post Share on other sites
Jay Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Ok, it took me too long to post. I see my point was already made. And I agree that Michigan and Ohio State in the desert doesn't seem right. Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 If USC wins out, they deserve a shot at tOSU. If the Trojans lose to ND or UCLA, then the SEC champ (FL/HOGS) should get the shot, as long as the winner still only has one loss. Otherwise, it should be Michigan.I agree with this, more or less. To me, USC and Florida are the only other teams besides Michigan that should be considered for the national championship game. Notre Dame might be in that mix if they hadn't been beaten (and badly) head-to-head by Michigan, but that loss takes them out of it. USC could still lose one or both of their last two games (how do they have two left, anyway?). They'll both be tought. Florida could very easily lose to Arkansas. If those both happen, it should definitely be Michigan. Even if USC and Florida both win out, I think Michigan still has a legitimate argument that they should be in that game (their only loss is to the # 1 team -- can anyone else say that?), but I won't be too upset if the polls keep them out of it. What I don't want to see is a "nobody wants to see that" attitude somehow seep into the BCS rankings (which I guess it could do, via the Harris and Coaches' polls?). Whether or not Michigan and OSU just played each other is irrelevant, really -- the best two teams should be in that game. Michigan has a strong argument that they're one of those teams no matter what happens in the next two weeks. Link to post Share on other sites
quarter23cd Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 What I don't want to see is a "nobody wants to see that" attitude somehow seep into the BCS rankings (which I guess it could do, via the Harris and Coaches' polls?). Whether or not Michigan and OSU just played each other is irrelevant, really -- the best two teams should be in that game. Michigan has a strong argument that they're one of those teams no matter what happens in the next two weeks.I think its interesting to see that the main contenders here (USC, Michigan, Florida) all come from different regions of the country and don't really have have much to compare by (except maybe UM and USC both play ND, who is a good measuring-stick since they are also in the top-tier, but won't make the championship b/c of the Michigan game). College football is still largely a regional thing. Its hard to gauge teams that don't play each other (or very many common opponents), so ranking them is almost always pure speculation. If you're looking for a "true" champion, the only way the BCS really works is if you end up with exactly two undefeated teams that everybody can agree on. Otherwise you end up with a lot of fruitless arguments about why Team A might be better than Team B, but you're never going to please everyone. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 And down goes Arkansas. I can't believe I have to root for Notre Dame. Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 I can't believe I have to root for Notre Dame. I rooted for Michigan last week.Ain't life strange? Link to post Share on other sites
Gobias Industries Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 i'll have to root for USC this week... Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 I hate Notre Dame. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 Oh, and tonight's game doesn't really help the argument for USC/ND being one of the great rivalries. Total mismatch. Link to post Share on other sites
OOO Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 Oh, and tonight's game doesn't really help the argument for USC/ND being one of the great rivalries. Total mismatch. Well, just make sure you cheer us on against your hated rivals in January. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 Hey now, don't be looking ahead past UCLA. Link to post Share on other sites
OOO Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 You're right, you're right. This IS college football and they ARE our official crosstown rivals, so stranger things have happened. I'll retract my bragging until next week. Link to post Share on other sites
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