caliber66 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Case in point: the first notes of "At Least That's...", you're like, "Has the album started yet?"Do you think that was unintentional? It seems quite deliberate to me that the verses are extremely quiet, ony to be followed by the raucous guitar breakdowns. I don't see that as a failure of the digital format. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WilcoFan Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Do you think that was unintentional? It seems quite deliberate to me that the verses are extremely quiet, ony to be followed by the raucous guitar breakdowns. I don't see that as a failure of the digital format. It's not the format, it's the mixing and mastering. Even if it was done on purpose, it was done poorly., Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Okay. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WaronWar Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Yes. Since YHF, the albums have been mastered at a very low level. When I put in pre-YHF albums, I can pump them up really high before they start to sound like crap. Unfortunately to me YHF and AGIB sound very muddy. I think O'Rourke was solving a problem existing in our society today: people going losing their hearing at an early age. He realize this problem and decided to do something about to try and save our ears and I myself would like to thanks O'Rourke for saving my hearing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 It's not the format, it's the mixing and mastering. Even if it was done on purpose, it was done poorly.,Um, no. There's nothing wrong with the way that song is mixed and mastered. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Synthesizer Patel Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 The mastering on AGIB was done intentionally, and it was done well. I actually have this sort of problem whenever I record and mix music with one of my friends. He is constantly saying he can't hear certain things and wants them turned up and seperated in the mix - for some reason he is under the impression that because he is unable to distinguish every instrument crisply & perfectly that it means he can't hear them - this of course is not true - he can hear them, he just can't seperate them from other instruments. He just rarely listens to the kind of music that I do, so he's used to it done a certain way ... of course, he's wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WilcoFan Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Um, no. There's nothing wrong with the way that song is mixed and mastered. Your opinion. Again, YHF and AGIB were not mastered as well as Being There or Summerteeth. My opinion. I might say that the actual mixing on YHF was genius. Because without O'Rourke's mixing that album might have been a disaster. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Synthesizer Patel Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Your opinion. Again, YHF and AGIB were not mastered as well as Being There or Summerteeth. My opinion. I might say that the actual mixing on YHF was genius. Because without O'Rourke's mixing that album might have been a disaster. The mastering on Summerteeth is truly appalling to these ears. I think it's so bad that it puts me off listening to the album a lot of the time, even though the songs are very good. And certain songs on Being There have far from aged well, even after this short time gap. What other albums do you think are mastered and mixed well? You probably just like an entirely different sound to me, and some others here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WilcoFan Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 The mastering on Summerteeth is truly appalling to these ears. I think it's so bad that it puts me off listening to the album a lot of the time, even though the songs are very good. And certain songs on Being There have far from aged well, even after this short time gap. What other albums do you think are mastered and mixed well? You probably just like an entirely different sound to me, and some others here. Sounds like it. I guess we could go on forever comparing albums like vs. dislike of mastering. one thing i've always said about my opinions: they can change and they are hypocritical in a sense that there may or may not be logic involved. I just know what I like. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
willywoody Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Your opinion. Again, YHF and AGIB were not mastered as well as Being There or Summerteeth. My opinion. I might say that the actual mixing on YHF was genius. Because without O'Rourke's mixing that album might have been a disaster. agib and yhf are held in pretty high regards on audiophile forums. never heard anyone claim summerteeth or being there as being well mixed and mastered. i don't think they're bad but just not as good as agib or yhf. but you're welcome to prefer music to sound like you want it to. in fact it would be easy to make agib or yhf sound like you want it to if you have soundforge. i think audicity for mac os might be able to add compression as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Analog will always sound better than digital. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Analog will always sound better than digital.If we can prove you wrong, will you change your name to Digitalman? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danelectro Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Yes. Since YHF, the albums have been mastered at a very low level. When I put in pre-YHF albums, I can pump them up really high before they start to sound like crap. Unfortunately to me YHF and AGIB sound very muddy. Case in point: the first notes of "At Least That's...", you're like, "Has the album started yet?" I agree, especially with the muddy part, especially with YHF. I listened to YHF last weekend for the first time in a few years and I thought there was something wrong with my system. IMO not having Jim O on board for SBS is a good thing. As for analog being "better" than digital I say it depends on the end result. There are plenty of completely analog recordings that sound crappy. It isn't a guaranty of higher quality sound no more than recording digital means everything sounds bad. I've heard extremely good home recordings from guys using Audacity and a Pod, if it sounds good it's good regardless of how it was recorded. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 And I take no drugs, ladies and gentlemen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 If we can prove you wrong, will you change your name to Digitalman? Maybe I should say poorly transferred A->D will never sound right. I have been listening to cds since the mid 90s - and I still notice something missing. HDCD makes me somewhat happy though. For instance, I am listening to Then Play On (last Peter Green Fleetwood Mac album) on cd - and it sound like total crap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 mmm, thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danelectro Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Maybe I should say poorly transferred A->D will never sound right. I have been listening to cds since the mid 90s - and I still notice something missing. HDCD makes me somewhat happy though.For instance, I am listening to Then Play On (last Peter Green Fleetwood Mac album) on cd - and it sound like total crap. I agree, stuff that was originally recorded using analog gear typically does not sound as good as it originally did no matter how it gets remastered and tweaked. But I think that is a different argument. To my ears stuff that starts digital can and does sound good when recorded using the right tools. However digital recording usually benefits the home recorder the most, you can do more and typically get better results with digital purely because the gear is so much cheaper, versatile and easy to use. I've lived in both worlds. I started recording back in the mid\late 80's using an analog 4 track. Those that had to endure those days know that todays multi functional sequencers and plugins get you much further with better results than you would have ever dreamed 20 years ago. For the small time band recording on a budget you can't beat digital especially if your pockets aren't deep enough to book time in a decent pro studio. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
willywoody Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 on another note, there's a rumour that the vinyl release is being copied from the digital master and not an anolog master. anyone with any insight into the vinyl release? answering my own question somewhat i found this out. rti does most of the matador releases and i've loved all the rti pressings i've bought so this bodes well. "The new LP was mastered by Stan Ricker, pressed at RTI." from stevehoffman forums. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted March 30, 2007 Author Share Posted March 30, 2007 If we can prove you wrong, will you change your name to Digitalman? I believe he prefers Digimon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ms. yvon Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 i've met jim scott in his studio. science fact. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted March 30, 2007 Author Share Posted March 30, 2007 Was he nice/smart/attractive/inspiring/informative? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 i've met jim scott in his studio. science fact.Science fact? Like, chemistry, perhaps? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 I'll second that. There's more colour and depth to this than the flat towel-around-your-head production of AGIB. say what? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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