dark heat Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 On Summerteeth, Jeff Tweedy was experimenting with electronic pop for the sake of revealing its emptyness. This is from an argument I'm having on another board, and I'm just curious to see what the thoughts might be from this place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Musically, Tweedy never struck me as being much of a satirist. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest tandylacker Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Where is this other board at? His statements, much like his lyrics, often don't make any sense. They're for the NPR crowds to say, "Oh yeah, that was deep." Then take another bong hit. Anyway, F O. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dark heat Posted March 27, 2007 Author Share Posted March 27, 2007 Where is this other board at? http://www.ateaseweb.com/mb/index.php?showtopic=235002080 starts on page 7. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest tandylacker Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 So there's actually another messageboard that debates stupid topics like this one... ? Honestly, I think everyone on that message board listens to Radiohead and that puts them in a pretty low category. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 whoa-ho! where one finds NP on viachicago, one finds "share your music" on ateaseweb. ::bookmarks:: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Where is this other board at? His statements, much like his lyrics, often don't make any sense. They're for the NPR crowds to say, "Oh yeah, that was deep." Then take another bong hit. Anyway, F O.That's harshing the mellow a bit, man. Tweedy may not write with the explicitness of Jarvis Cocker, but his lyrics make sense in an impressionistic way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yermom Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 5 User(s) are reading this topic (4 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)Is VC launching an invasion into Radiohead territory? On Summerteeth, Jeff Tweedy was experimenting with electronic pop for the sake of revealing its emptyness.My two cents:B.S. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Honestly, I think everyone on that message board listens to Radiohead and that puts them in a pretty low category. Oh I hope you don't mean that. Cause if its a joke its funny, otherwise it means you have bad taste and your nasty about it. His statements, much like his lyrics, often don't make any sense. They're for the NPR crowds to say, "Oh yeah, that was deep." Then take another bong hit. Wait a second. I think much of what I have heard from his interviews is refreshing and insightful. Kind of like NPR. And why stigmatize marijuana use? Would you rather he sound off some trite kibble like fox news and then you can drink a bud lite and high five the president? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 haha, that's great how you can accuse others of being insulting and at the same time insult them in the same fashion, even in the same sentence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 This is true. One good turn deserves another. But honestly how fair can we be about Radiohead? They seem to make people say things....wonderful things.....terrible things. But I did realize this. Re:Topic name. There must be little merit to the statement at the top. Because it produced arguments about: VC, Radiohead, NPR and even better my statement about someone else's statement. So to answer the thread: little merit. But I find Tweedy statements, NPR and tongue-tied's most on-time criticism of my circular sentence: meritful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WaronWar Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 My two cents:B.S. I'll second that because as Learning How To Die points out and other articles that I have read from that era show that basically he allowed Bennett to have hand at making the music more poppy in order to lighten the darkness of the lyrics. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest tandylacker Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Oh I hope you don't mean that. Cause if its a joke its funny, otherwise it means you have bad taste and your nasty about it. Let's not debate the legitimacy of another brit band. Wait a second. I think much of what I have heard from his interviews is refreshing and insightful. Kind of like NPR. And why stigmatize marijuana use? Would you rather he sound off some trite kibble like fox news and then you can drink a bud lite and high five the president? Do you really think everyone is as polarized in politics as you? Stigma for marijuana use? Your kidding, right? "Dude, don't harsh the mellow. It's just a little pot." Your defense of me claiming NPR listeners are pretentious stoners is to fit the stereotype exactly? Tandylacker doesn't like NPR or marijuana, must be one of Bush's cronies. And that's cronies, not chronic. Don't get excited. I don't like you, but here's a kiss anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jdmel Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 the you have to listen to the notes he isnt playing simpsons argument... ahhh... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 My main problem with NPR is that they don't play nearly enough Black Sabbath. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yankhotelfox Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 My main problem with NPR is that they don't play nearly enough Black Sabbath. I was thinking that earlier, while listening, then they played "Sweet Leaf." I had the sudden urge to spark up a spliff but refrained from doing so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobfrombob Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 On Summerteeth, Jeff Tweedy was experimenting with electronic pop for the sake of revealing its emptyness.On this other board, do you explain what you mean by the "emptyness" of electronic pop? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jhh4321 Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Discuss the merits of this statement: Summerteeth is an incredible album and maybe you should just listen and decide for yourself; interpreting music is different for everyone. Regardless of Jeff's intent, there is no right or wrong answer here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
owl Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 On Summerteeth, Jeff Tweedy was experimenting with electronic pop for the sake of revealing its emptyness. I always figured the Summerteeth production was all Bennett. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 I always figured the Summerteeth production was all Bennett.Yep. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azzurri Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 it's emptiness, not emptyness Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 I've read articles/book snippets where it cites that Jethro seems to have a pretty diverse range of artisitic influences...from Cheap Trick to PIL to Big Star to blah, blah, blah. My guess is that this was something (w/ Jay's influence) he was feeling at the time. Hard pressed to believe it was any sort of satire. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Basil II Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Still far and away Wilco's best record......... -Robert. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Let's not debate the legitimacy of another brit band.Do you really think everyone is as polarized in politics as you? Stigma for marijuana use? Your kidding, right? "Dude, don't harsh the mellow. It's just a little pot." Your defense of me claiming NPR listeners are pretentious stoners is to fit the stereotype exactly? Tandylacker doesn't like NPR or marijuana, must be one of Bush's cronies. And that's cronies, not chronic. Don't get excited. I don't like you, but here's a kiss anyway. Whoah. This thread is getting a meta element to it. Here lets discuss some merit to some statements. NPR is not always thought of as 'polarized', many centrists believe it is one of the most unbiased sources of information next to the BBC. I never said anything about harshing my mellow, I just think someone on a rock and roll bands fanboard would have enough earthly wisdom to know better than to think a lifestyle choice such as recreational drug use having much to do with their ability to interpret information, and understand what a musician says in interviews. As far as your bud light drinking bush kissing ways, that was polarized. And maybe even a little pretentious. Sorry. I was just defending my American values through use of social satire. Maybe you watch CNN, drink a latte and high five John McCain. (I kid). But can you be shocked that you were boxed in to a ridiculous stereotype after you made the move first? (remember that bit about all of Tweedy's senseless statements that us pot-toking, npr listeners seem to get something cosmic out of....I don't know if you remember bringing 'us caricatures' to light but ya did (and lets not forget who people on this board are fans of)). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wheelco Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 I always thought it was a period when Jeff and Jay were popping pills and spending money the band didn't have on old mellotrons and synths and then they would stay up late twisting good honest folk tunes into the tortured end results not really kidding either, that was my impression from the Kot book, interviews, etc . . . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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