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[bobbob1313]

Befuddling or not (not), I fail to see how my statement was slowed down. Allow me to retard my point, so you might understand it: Abortions reduce infant mortality because fetuses with potentially life-threatening defects are killed off before they are born. Moreover, it's not inconceivable that unwanted babies have a higher mortality rate than wanted ones due to neglect and abuse. If a country has a higher proportion of wanted, defect-free babies (because the unwanted ones and those with defects were aborted), then it's going to have a lower infant mortality rate than a country with less abortions. Are you defuddled now?

 

Retard.

[MrRain422]

No one even reads my posts anymore.

 

I don't blame you.

[Sir Stewart]

No one even reads my posts anymore.

 

I don't blame you.

I always get about halfway through your posts then get distracted and start staring at your avatar, pretending I'm watching a mini-Jumbotron in mini-baseball stadium. You can go ahead and blame me.

[plasticeyeball]

No one even reads my posts anymore.

 

I don't blame you.

 

 

I read it. (but still think that statistical differences because of those mentioned are still part of the statistic. If you are comparing countries with different abortion laws, housing & environmental qualites, wanted vs unwanted, neglected, abused etc... whatever, all those factors weigh on the outcome of Infant Mortality Rate which to me, belong in the statistic of Infant Mortality Rate. It's just that. It's not a measure of success or failure of our or another countries healtcare system, it a measure of Infant Mortality Rate which should be all the above put together.)

[MrRain422]

I always get about halfway through your posts then get distracted and start staring at your avatar, pretending I'm watching a mini-Jumbotron in mini-baseball stadium. You can go ahead and blame me.

 

I understand. I still get distracted by it myself.

[plasticeyeball]

I understand. I still get distracted by it myself.

 

 

i am more interested in why a young boy would call you a "dirty sinner".

 

(no, really, i want to know.)

[bobbob1313]

i am more interested in why a young boy would call you a "dirty sinner".

 

(no, really, i want to know.)

 

The things you don't know about MrRain could fill up a large bathtub, or possibly a small swimming pool.

[lizish]

Befuddling or not (not), I fail to see how my statement was slowed down. Allow me to retard my point, so you might understand it: Abortions reduce infant mortality because fetuses with potentially life-threatening defects are killed off before they are born. Moreover, it's not inconceivable that unwanted babies have a higher mortality rate than wanted ones due to neglect and abuse. If a country has a higher proportion of wanted, defect-free babies (because the unwanted ones and those with defects were aborted), then it's going to have a lower infant mortality rate than a country with less abortions. Are you defuddled now?

 

And this is trying to a make point by comparing what country to what country?

 

Last time I checked US, Canada, UK, Germany, France all had the right to legalized abortion. If you are comparing each of those country's infant mortality rate, there is no difference in your abortion-befuddled analysis and your point becomes null.

 

So, with all this infant mortality talk, don't you feel a tinge of guilt that the US's rate, by any measure or attempt to confound it, is mediocre. I mean these are babies right? Isn't that what the other tenant of a right wing frame of mind are supposed to protect?

 

Oh, sorry, you're that special needs kind of repub that rejects statisical analysis, world health organizations and rational thought.

[MrRain422]

i am more interested in why a young boy would call you a "dirty sinner". (no, really, i want to know.)

 

Not really as exciting as a story as you might hope.

 

A group of insane people were picketing campus for a few days, carrying signs that said "You're all going to hell" and other similar things, and basically just yelling at people. They also had their children with them, handing out their ridiculous literature.

 

I was walking to class. The kid approached me and offered me a pamphlet. I said "No thank you". He said "You're a dirty sinner and you're going to hell." I said "Fuck off."

 

That's the whole not-so-exciting story.

 

The things you don't know about MrRain could fill up a large bathtub, or possibly a small swimming pool.

 

It's true. I am a man of mystery.

[ikol]

And this is trying to a make point by comparing what country to what country?

 

Last time I checked US, Canada, UK, Germany, France all had the right to legalized abortion. If you are comparing each of those country's infant mortality rate, there is no difference in your abortion-befuddled analysis and your point becomes null.

 

If you had read my earlier retarded-in-a-befuddling-way posts, you would know that I wasn't making any specific comparison. My point was that even supposedly objective measures of healthcare such infant mortaility and lifespan are largely determined by factors other than healthcare. And just because nations have similar abortion rights doesn't mean that they have the same rates of abortions per pregnancies.

[plasticeyeball]

that was a let down.

 

(mrrain's story)

[MrRain422]

Sorry.

 

I guess I could have made something up. Let me try again.

 

I was committing sodomy on a llama in the middle of central campus. Most of the heathens I went to school with (keep in mind, this is Ann Arbor, so this stuff is normal) paid no mind. However, a family of upstanding Christian citizens happened to be walking through campus.

 

I heard a child ask, "Daddy, what is that man doing to that goat?" (I guess didn't know what a llama was).

 

"Son," he said, "That man is trying to procreate with that goat" (the father wasn't very worldly either). "It is a sin against nature."

 

I heard the child begin to cry, so I dismounted the llama and told the father to mind his own business. The child cried louder, until finally I told him to shut his pie hole. He told me that I was a dirty sinner, and so I told him to fuck off and through him in a fountain.

[lizish]

If you had read my earlier retarded-in-a-befuddling-way posts, you would know that I wasn't making any specific comparison. My point was that even supposedly objective measures of healthcare such infant mortaility and lifespan are largely determined by factors other than healthcare. And just because nations have similar abortion rights doesn't mean that they have the same rates of abortions per pregnancies.

 

Right right right. If you can't stomach the stats undermine them with inconsequential hunches and strange logic that guesses relative abortion rates.

 

In western countries, a dead baby is unfortunately a fairly easy thing to measure. The number of live births is also pretty easy to count. In fact, infant mortality has been THE measure of a country's health and a barometer to when it is heading into the dumper.

 

sooo, using your style of inference, let's make an assumption and I'll go slow, just for you:

• A pregnant woman's access to health care is directly related to the health of her child.
  
• This rate differs between nations.
  
• Access is restricted in the USA,
  
• Ergo, there is a larger number of unhealthy babies than there should be if access was universal.
  

[ikol]

So, with all this infant mortality talk, don't you feel a tinge of guilt that the US's rate, by any measure or attempt to confound it, is mediocre. I mean these are babies right? Isn't that what the other tenant of a right wing frame of mind are supposed to protect?

 

Guilt? No (I haven't killed any babies). Sadness? Yes. Both the infant mortality rate and the number of abortions need to be reduced.

 

Oh, sorry, you're that special needs kind of repub that rejects statisical analysis, world health organizations and rational thought.

 

Wow. You've got me figured out.

 

Right right right. If you can't stomach the stats undermine them with inconsequential hunches and strange logic that guesses relative abortion rates.

 

I guess I could just blindly accept the stats without questioning their relevance. I forgot that it's a FACT that our healthcare system is the 37th best. Forgive me, since I'm the type of "repub" who rejects rational thought. Of course, I never claimed that the infant mortality stats were wrong, just that they weren't all that great of a measure of healthcare since they can be affected by other factors.

 

In western countries, a dead baby is unfortunately a fairly easy thing to measure. The number of live births is also pretty easy to count. In fact, infant mortality has been THE measure of a country's health and a barometer to when it is heading into the dumper.

 

It might be a pretty good measure of health, but not necessarily healthcare. I'm sure Michael Moore gets excellent healthcare. His health on the the other hand...

 

sooo, using your style of inference, let's make an assumption and I'll go slow, just for you:

• A pregnant woman's access to health care is directly related to the health of her child.
  
• This rate differs between nations.
  
• Access is restricted in the USA,
  
• Ergo, there is a larger number of unhealthy babies than there should be if access was universal.
  

 

Is a pregnant woman's access to healthcare the only factor related to the health of her child?

[Edie]

ikol

 

Edit: I have not seen the movie so I cannot directly comment, but I dare say I'd likely be closer to Moore's "opinion" than not.

[bjorn_skurj]

I need 879 pound Michael Moore telling me how to stay healthy...

If you don't quit making fun of fat people, I'm not going to give you any more layout tips.

[Edie]

If you don't quit making fun of fat people, I'm not going to give you any more getting laid tips.

 

Fixed it for you.

[lizish]

Is a pregnant woman's access to healthcare the only factor related to the health of her child?

 

You tell me. I'm trying to understand your logic. How important is it in relation to the health of the baby? What are the other factors that you would include? Wealth? Religion? Employment? Nutrition? How would these other factors be different between say the US and Sweden, or France or the UK? Rank them as best you can and then let's see if we can come up with 'deeply flawed' stats to explain it.

[bjorn_skurj]

Fixed it for you.

Puh-leeze. The kid deserves a chance to grow up happy and normal, does he not?

[MrRain422]

I think it's rather late to still be holding out hope for him to turn out "normal".

[plasticeyeball]

Sorry.

 

I guess I could have made something up. Let me try again.

 

I was committing sodomy on a llama in the middle of central campus. Most of the heathens I went to school with (keep in mind, this is Ann Arbor, so this stuff is normal) paid no mind. However, a family of upstanding Christian citizens happened to be walking through campus.

 

I heard a child ask, "Daddy, what is that man doing to that goat?" (I guess didn't know what a llama was).

 

"Son," he said, "That man is trying to procreate with that goat" (the father wasn't very worldly either). "It is a sin against nature."

 

I heard the child begin to cry, so I dismounted the llama and told the father to mind his own business. The child cried louder, until finally I told him to shut his pie hole. He told me that I was a dirty sinner, and so I told him to fuck off and through him in a fountain.

 

That's just too much detail to be made up, just come clean and admit it. Your one of those llama lovers, but your the worst kind because you feel shame rather than pride.

[Beltmann]

That's just too much detail to be made up, just come clean and admit it. Your one of those llama lovers, but your the worst kind because you feel shame rather than pride.

As I understand it, MrRain pre-ordered the DVD of this new movie under the assumption that it was a "how-to" video.

[ikol]

You tell me. I'm trying to understand your logic. How important is it in relation to the health of the baby? What are the other factors that you would include? Wealth? Religion? Employment? Nutrition? How would these other factors be different between say the US and Sweden, or France or the UK? Rank them as best you can and then let's see if we can come up with 'deeply flawed' stats to explain it.

 

All of those factors (except maybe religion, but who knows) plus whether the baby has any defects and any sort of abuse or neglect by the parents. As far as ranking all those for other countries, no thanks. I'm not that bent on convincing you.

[bobbob1313]

If you don't quit making fun of fat people, I'm not going to give you any more layout tips.

 

Hey, I'm one of them. And you don't hear me telling people to stop eating burgers. I have no problem with it.

 

I think it's rather late to still be holding out hope for him to turn out "normal".

 

That ship sailed a long time ago.

[Dreamin']

Perhaps we should leave the pointless nitpicking and other distractions to CNN, since that's about all they are good for. Again, I think that MrRain is right on target.

 

And of course the other nations that we sometimes look to on this issue do not have perfect systems. But just because we are looking at them to see what works does not mean that we cannot also look at what doesn't and implement our system accordingly. Just because we would maybe be adopting some aspects of Canada's system doesn't mean we would have to adopt the whole thing exactly as is. We can analyze other nations' health care systems, adopt what works, and make whatever changes we need to in order to correct whatever shortcomings exist.

 

ikol, I remember that you once mentioned that you planned to go to medical school. Are you happy with the status quo? If not, what changes would you like to see?