motorhome Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Quick question.....I have this song on a bootleg somewhere but can't find it amongst all my stuff. My wife has it on her Ipod somehow but not on her itunes....weird. It was suppose to be on the Mermaid Ave cd, right?? Where is it recorded...can't find it. Any help appreciated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magus673 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 it was recorded during Mermaid Ave sessions but was released on the Chelsea Walls soundtrack. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 I guess this was played live a little more than I thought. I have a couple of versions, the 12/30/98 Fillmore show is a good 'un. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
froggie Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 it was recorded during mermaid avenue but then discovered the lyrics weren't actaully from woody guthrie, so it got shelved for a while. the Man in the sand DVD has a nice clip of jeff singing it in the recording booth with the band Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 When The Roses Bloom Again - also to be found on Oxford American Southern C.D. Sampler - ISSUE 34 4th Annual Southern Music Issue. July-August 2000 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue and Green Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 I guess this was played live a little more than I thought. I have a couple of versions, the 12/30/98 Fillmore show is a good 'un. I have never seen this song performed live but that would be sweet! Thanks for the info. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
petemoss Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 When The Roses Bloom Again - also to be found on Oxford American Southern C.D. Sampler - ISSUE 34 4th Annual Southern Music Issue. July-August 2000 One time I saw Wilco play, they opened with 'one by one', then they played 'roses' then they played 'bob dylan's beard'.most amazing start to a show ever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 I rather like those 3 songs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
welch79 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 wilco played this great song when they were last in knoxville, march of '06. i thought it was a cover at first. edit: well, i guess it is a cover. my b. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue and Green Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 wilco played this great song when they were last in knoxville, march of '06. i thought it was a cover at first. edit: well, i guess it is a cover. my b.Well it is sort of a cover. The lyrics are from poems that Woody had written but they had no music set to them. So I don't know what you would call that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue and Green Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 One time I saw Wilco play, they opened with 'one by one', then they played 'roses' then they played 'bob dylan's beard'.most amazing start to a show ever.That would have been awesome to see live. 'One by One' is one of favorite MMA songs. Which is wierd because I usually don't like songs that start out with a fade in and fade out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
froggie Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Well it is sort of a cover. The lyrics are from poems that Woody had written but they had no music set to them. So I don't know what you would call that. didnt they discover the lyrics werent from guthrie so thats why it was left off the album? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue and Green Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 didnt they discover the lyrics werent from guthrie so thats why it was left off the album?I don't know. I haven't heard that before. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aricandover Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 didnt they discover the lyrics werent from guthrie so thats why it was left off the album? yes, the lyrics are credited to A.P. Carter, with the arrangement credited to Wilco. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue and Green Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Wow I learn something new everyday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lisa Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 They played When the Roses ... when they were on Prairie Home Companion (051207). The link is still alive and well on WILCO - NEWS. There are other lovely surprises from backlist and current catalog ... Enjoy! Lisa Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue and Green Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Thanks for the heads up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TCP Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 yes, the lyrics are credited to A.P. Carter, with the arrangement credited to Wilco.Yes, this is true. And so they took the melody and made "Blood of the Lamb". Anyways, I love when they perform it with Nels. His lap steel is beautiful. Like the KCRW version. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quosh Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 I'm sure I've seen very old sheet music for this song... so did Wilco just change the arrangement, rather than compose it? for instance, there's a pdf of the notation here: http://odin.indstate.edu/about/units/rbsc/kirk/sm1900.html Alex :ike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
froggie Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 > And so they took the melody and made "Blood of the Lamb". never noticed the similarities till now! hmm, looks like the last it was played was down here in april along with mountain bed! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue and Green Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 I'm sure I've seen very old sheet music for this song... so did Wilco just change the arrangement, rather than compose it? for instance, there's a pdf of the notation here: http://odin.indstate.edu/about/units/rbsc/kirk/sm1900.htmlAlex :ikeGood question. Nice find. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 yes, the lyrics are credited to A.P. Carter, with the arrangement credited to Wilco.I recently read the book about the Carter family. AP "borrowed" lyrics anywhere he could find them (as did Woody Guthrie, who borrowed both tunes and lyrics liberally as well), by taking trips into the hills and talking to people about songs they knew. As a result AP's songs were frequently older popular songs people had been singing for some time (not just "folk" type songs) and he and Ralph Peer published them under their names. That was the good old days. There weren't as many lawyers back in those days. Another interesting thing about AP was that he had trouble remembering tunes, so he took a black blues singer with him (who's name escapes me) to learn the tunes, who would then teach them to the rest of the group. Many Carter Family songs were optained this way since the Carters themselves did not have that large a repetoire and Peer was constantly asking for new material and they couldn't come up with new stuff that quickly. These song hunting trips eventually led to tension between AP and Sarah and their eventual divorce and the break-up of the group. I'm sure I've seen very old sheet music for this song... so did Wilco just change the arrangement, rather than compose it? for instance, there's a pdf of the notation here: http://odin.indstate.edu/about/units/rbsc/kirk/sm1900.htmlAlex :ikeThis is very cool. Can someone actually play this sheet music and post the original tune?? In retrospect it is fairly obvious that these lyrics are not Woody's. Compared to most of the other stuff that appears on the MA sessions, these lyrics are quite different in structure and content. But the words themselves are extremely compelling and touching, making it a great songs. Sally Timms does a great version of this song as well. LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quosh Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 This is very cool. Can someone actually play this sheet music and post the original tune?? LouieB What a great idea, I can't read notation but would be curious to hear what this sounds like! (It would be hilarious if it sounded like 'I Am A Wheel'...) Thanks,Alex Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 What a great idea, I can't read notation but would be curious to hear what this sounds like! (It would be hilarious if it sounded like 'I Am A Wheel'...) Thanks,Alex I would love that. I have always wondered what the original music was like. I am sure it is far more sentimental turn of the century parlor song, but it would be instructive. LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 yes, the lyrics are credited to A.P. Carter, with the arrangement credited to Wilco.The song is copyrighted by A.P. Carter, but has actually been traced back to 1901; the words originally written by Will D. Cobb and Gus Edwards. Also, I thought the music was credited to Tweedy only? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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