Lammycat Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 I wonder if the same people who got so mad about Bonds will be just as mad about Ankiel?If Ankiel starts altering history and making a sham out of coveted records due to cheating, perhaps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 If Ankiel starts altering history and making a sham out of coveted records due to cheating, perhaps. I fully disagree, but whatever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Well, it's never good when a feel-good story turns out to be based upon a lie. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted September 7, 2007 Author Share Posted September 7, 2007 Well, it's never good when a feel-good story turns out to be based upon a lie.Like The Crying Game? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 I fully disagree, but whatever.Disagree with what? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 I fully disagree, but whatever. If you think that Bonds cheating and Ankiel cheating are the same thing because they both cheated, well, I fully disagree. But whatever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted September 7, 2007 Author Share Posted September 7, 2007 My Lord - J.D. Drew sucks, sucks, sucks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PigSooie Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 My Lord - J.D. Drew sucks, sucks, sucks. Can we have Trot back? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oil Can Boyd Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 My Lord - J.D. Drew sucks, sucks, sucks.Indeed. I never understood the Sox obsession with him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jenbobblehead Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 a friend of mine met Oil Can Boyd at a restaurant here in town the other night. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 He does what's good for The Can. Doesn't Oil Can have a team of former MLBers he assembled and travels/plays with? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jenbobblehead Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 He does what's good for The Can. Doesn't Oil can have a team of foprmer MLBers he assembled and travels/plays with?i don't know but the restaurant is right around the corner from our house and our friend goes there all the time and said that the next time The Can is in there, he'll call me so i can come down. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Like The Crying Game?Didn't he end up doing him/her anyway? So what kind of sad ending is that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted September 7, 2007 Author Share Posted September 7, 2007 Didn't he end up doing him/her anyway? So what kind of sad ending is that?Way after that, JD Drew was signed to the Red Sox. There's your sad ending. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Way after that, JD Drew was signed to the Red Sox. There's your sad ending.Ah. I didn't stay for the credits that time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 It's only cheating if you were already really good to begin with. The people have spoken. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oil Can Boyd Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 He does what's good for The Can. Doesn't Oil Can have a team of former MLBers he assembled and travels/plays with?Why yes I do. Actually, yes he does. I know it includes both Bill Lee and Sam Horn. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 It's only cheating if you were already really good to begin with. The people have spoken.On the contrary, it's still cheating but fewer people care when the impact on the game isn't as drastically affected. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
P Dub Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Well, it's never good when a feel-good story turns out to be based upon a lie. When did Ankiel lie? His doctor prescribed it thru a pharmacy during his rehab before much was even known about HGH. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 so that was like 1978? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
P Dub Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 My Lord - J.D. Drew sucks, sucks, sucks. JD is one of my favorite players...we got Adam Wainwright and Jason Marquis (for 3 seasons) for him!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 When did Ankiel lie? His doctor prescribed it thru a pharmacy during his rehab before much was even known about HGH.The lie is that what seemed like a story of a scrappy washed-up pitcher, who, through hard work and determination, got back to the majors as the second coming of Babe Ruth. That story makes us feel good, as it shows that hard work and determination is rewarded. To find out that a substance in ill repute, whether it was legal or not at the time - was involved in the equation shows that the fix is in and cheaters prosper. Particularly in a town like St. Louis, which had to go through all this with McGwire. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
P Dub Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 The lie is that what seemed like a story of a scrappy washed-up pitcher, who, through hard work and determination, got back to the majors as the second coming of Babe Ruth. That story makes us feel good, as it shows that hard work and determination is rewarded. To find out that a substance in ill repute, whether it was legal or not at the time - was involved in the equation shows that the fix is in and cheaters prosper. Particularly in a town like St. Louis, which had to go through all this with McGwire. I understand where you're coming from but I think this different (and maybe I just want this to be different). McGwire, Bonds, Canseco et al cheated by using an illegal substance in the back room of a local gym. To me, Ankiel's doctor recommend the HGH and that makes it much different. Why did this come out on the day he hit two homers with 7 rbi's? Why wasn't anyone else fingered by this reporter? Here's a blog from Bernie of the Post Dispatch... It Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 The reason his name came up is because he was sent HGH by a facility that is being investigated for illegally distributing HGH. The whole "his doctor prescribed it" business is nonsense. A lot of the guys caught up in it have presciptions -- prescriptions that they obtained illegally. That's the whole point. And the argument that he only did it before MLB banned it doesn't hold water either, unless you also want to excuse Bonds, Canseco, McGwire, etc., as their documented use was all before MLB banned steroids and HGH also. I'm not even going to go into the anecdotal stuff, as every player in baseball (and especially those with a little bit of natural power) can hit it that far if they get the right pitch and have air and wind conditions in their favor. Every single one. Guys hit balls out of ballparks well before steroids existed. That doesn't mean anything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Just to be clear as it's rarely accurately stated in these steroid-use discussions: steroids were added to the banned substance list as early as 1991 by then-Commissioner Fay Vincent. He was explicit in citing them as banned for use by MLB players. Testing, of course, for the banned substance did not come until much too later. Edit: Why should any player be excused from using performance enhancers after MLB put a ban on them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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