jc4prez Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 you neglect to consider the cost of real estate, energy (one of the most expensive portions of manufacturing), and raw materials all of which are cheaper is less developed nations. why? well because we all want to be paid like, well, ball players. In a country where the guy working the back end of a print frame is happy being able to buy some goat meat for his family, wages stay at a rate that is proportional to the the value of the goods being made. the issue of minimum wage doesn't really cover it though, as, well fuck, they don't get paid minimum wage. people flipping burgers in high school get minimum wage. guys in manfacturing plants get a shit load more than that, plus time and a half, and assuming it's a union shop some pretty fucking stellar health benefits. Suddenly the 1 yard and a quarter of fabric for that tier top curtain is a bit of whack for what it should really cost a family of four with a stay at home mom. It's nice to pretend that all these issues are linear and it's all the fault of the richest guy, but christ what a load of hot air blew through this fucking place today. hmmm.... happy buying their family goat meat. It sure is nice to be a white male living in america isn't gary. Have you ever thought that these people getting the shaft has just as much potential for human accomplishment as you do? Just because a condition is normal for someone doesn't make it right. On top of this people living in the western world are polluting the fuck out of the planet, this in process is fucking up these peoples environment. So not only do we exploit their labor but their environment as well. On top of this we don't pay them enough to help build their nations economy which leaves them stuck in the gutter and a never ending work force for western nations to exploit. I never argued the benefits of out sourcing I was arguing its illegitimacy and how it is insanely unethical. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted November 17, 2007 Author Share Posted November 17, 2007 were somebody beating a dead horse on the side of the road, i'd slow down and look. the whack-a-mole style of nonsense going on here is staggering and pretty entertaining for a message board. See, here they come, right on cue. I told you they'd be back, Gary, I told you. (this does not refer to Beltmann of course - he engages in actual conversation, and does an exceptional job of it, unlike those who keep remarking on the ridiculousness of threads they love to hate, without ever adding much of anything - perpetuating the life of a thread they claim they'd like to see dead.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jc4prez Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 were somebody beating a dead horse on the side of the road, i'd slow down and look. the whack-a-mole style of nonsense going on here is staggering and pretty entertaining for a message board. I would only call it nonsense if anyone in the discussion expected the world to be changed by the time the thread reaches page thirty. Otherwise its thought provoking conversation. The worst thing that is going to happen is everyone involved can question their values, see if they can explain their position and maybe better understand someone they don't agree with. Ideally each of us can walk away feeling stronger about our belifs weather they change or stay the same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 See, here they come, right on cue. I told you they'd be back, Gary, I told you. (this does not refer to Beltmann of course - he engages in actual conversation, and does an exceptional job of it, unlike those who keep remarking on the ridiculousness of threads they love to hate, without ever adding much of anything - perpetuating the life of a thread they claim they'd like to see dead.) you know i can read this, right? this thread is ridiculous and i hope it continues. nice job of doing what i said by trying to make a point over nothing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted November 17, 2007 Author Share Posted November 17, 2007 you know i can read this, right? this thread is ridiculous and i hope it continues. nice job of doing what i said by trying to make a point over nothing. Thanks for doing the same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 hmmm.... happy buying their family goat meat. It sure is nice to be white and living in america isn't gary.Have you ever thought that these people getting the shaft has just as much potential for human accomplishment as you do? ha. you don't really know anything about me or what I do, do you? considering I earn somewhere just north of little to nothing I suspect I may be one of 'these people.' you make it seem like being happy simply feeding your family is a bad thing. We're losing all the jobs you're talking about because of the american dream (And no one wants to pay $100 for a tier curtain). And i'm pretty sure all the customer service reps in India are pretty happy about. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted November 17, 2007 Author Share Posted November 17, 2007 ha. you don't really know anything about me or what I do, do you? considering I earn somewhere just north of little to nothing I suspect I may be one of 'these people.' you make it seem like being happy simply feeding your family is a bad thing. We're losing all the jobs you're talking about because of the american dream (And no one wants to pay $100 for a tier curtain). And i'm pretty sure all the customer service reps in India are pretty happy about. Have we moved on to beating dead goats now? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jc4prez Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 ha. you don't really know anything about me or what I do, do you? considering I earn somewhere just north of little to nothing I suspect I may be one of 'these people.' you make it seem like being happy simply feeding your family is a bad thing. We're losing all the jobs you're talking about because of the american dream (And no one wants to pay $100 for a tier curtain). And i'm pretty sure all the customer service reps in India are pretty happy about. I know that living in america you are doing better then a good majority of the planet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 and? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jc4prez Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 and? its at the cost of other HUMANS, ANIMALS, AND THE WHOLE ENVIRONMENT. Not to mention the future of our planet. How can you be content worrying about your family? Humans have been on the planet for over a million years. Your only a small insignificant part of that journey that will hopefully continue after your gone. What makes your life more valuable? a Man made system of commerce? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 wow, you sure do make a lot of assumptions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jc4prez Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 wow, you sure do make a lot of assumptions. what have i assumed? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 That I'm content only worrying about my family, for one. That I consider my life more valuable, for two. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Huxable Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jc4prez Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 ha. you don't really know anything about me or what I do, do you? considering I earn somewhere just north of little to nothing I suspect I may be one of 'these people.' you make it seem like being happy simply feeding your family is a bad thing. We're losing all the jobs you're talking about because of the american dream (And no one wants to pay $100 for a tier curtain). And i'm pretty sure all the customer service reps in India are pretty happy about. I believe this is where you defended your situation. From what I gather here you work and make enough to support your family. No assuming Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 I believe this is where you defended your situation. your reading comprehension either leaves something to be desired or you're doing an incredibly poor job of trying to make a point. How does that make me content only worrying about my family, or that I consider my life more valuable? I know that living in america you are doing better then a good majority of the planet. and? its at the cost of other HUMANS, ANIMALS, AND THE WHOLE ENVIRONMENT. ostensibly I should have been born, or at least moved somewhere else like you did. that's some bang up logic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OOO Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Humans have been on the planet for over a million years. DNA evidence indicates that modern humans originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jc4prez Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 DNA evidence indicates that modern humans originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago. i was referring to evolution. And isn't the fact your presented enough to say we need to be helping everyone out. We are all part of the same family. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jc4prez Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 your reading comprehension either leaves something to be desired or you're doing an incredibly poor job of trying to make a point. How does that make me content only worrying about my family, or that I consider my life more valuable? and? ostensibly I should have been born, or at least moved somewhere else like you did. that's some bang up logic. ostensibly nice word. Nobody said moving somewhere else would fix the worlds problems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Nobody said moving somewhere else would fix the worlds problems. no, but you said his sheer act of living somehwere is causing all of them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 he did, didn't he? The jobs jesus is complaining about are jobs that used to be here. As more jobs get shipped off shore those countries will get more powerful and we'll have a greater division in this country between the wealthy and the poor, with the middle drying up. Health care will become wholly unaffordable, social security will crash and china will become the most powerful nation on earth, wages will rise and ultimately they'll be using a disproportionate amount of the world's resources. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jc4prez Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 no, but you said his sheer act of living somehwere is causing all of them. Yes, it is causing them. But your geographical location isn't the root of the problem. Living in this country puts blood on your hands through the payment of tax dollars. It's on everyone's hands. Leaving a bad situation only takes you out of it. It doesn't stop it from happening. So if the end of the action is your concern (mine) you wouldn't leave. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 dear jesus, as near as I can tell all you're doing to remedy the situation is living in america (like most of us) and bitching on a message board (less than many of us, although you assume us all to be heathens). please don't take this as an attack but as an invitation to explain your path. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jc4prez Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 he did, didn't he? The jobs jesus is complaining about are jobs that used to be here. As more jobs get shipped off shore those countries will get more powerful and we'll have a greater division in this country between the wealthy and the poor, with the middle drying up. Health care will become wholly unaffordable, social security will crash and china will become the most powerful nation on earth, wages will rise and ultimately they'll be using a disproportionate amount of the world's resources. Health care already is unaffordable. Social Security more then likely won't be here when and if I could retire. China already is the second biggest kid on the block. My girlfriend's cousin is a congressmen and to quote him "if you know whats good for you you'll start learning chinese now". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 'blood on my hands'...right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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