Sigur Ros will not sell out.

[Good Old Neon]

Your joking right....... McCartney's "show" is outlandish and over the top, which I'm sure rasises ticket prices a bit but think about the effect hauling all that shit around in mac trucks is doing to the enviorment. I live around the corner from Wrigglyfield and couldn't help but feel disgusted seeing all the shit The Police had to haul in to make their "show" happen. McCartney's pricing is over the top insane (again 40 dollar t-shirts(its probably even more now), 250 tickets in areans that hold thouhsands yet charge less for mayn other events. and you can say this about anyone in that league look how much Striesand charges, is it okay because someone will pay???? And if you read everything I said the fundamental problem is our system!I feel the like a broken record...... THE SYSTEM!Supply and demand doesn't equal fair, esp. when you consider all those who don't live in the land of luxury.

 

And you will continue to feel like a broken record - you

[jc4prez]

And you will continue to feel like a broken record - you

[bobbob1313]

This is THAT Paul McCartney we are referring to correct - the one whose is reportedly worth about 1.6 billion dollars - BILLION dollars - I

[tongue-tied]

you must've skipped the first page

 

snuck that one by me, but to only see it once has to be a record for a sell-out thread. now why am i considering McCartney's divorce on whether or not Sigur Ros has a point about music in commercials?

 

So he should pay for his tours out of his own pocket. Ok, that makes sense. I hope you pay for the gas, defribrilator, and stretchers in your ambulance, then.

 

please don't mention healthcare

[jc4prez]

So he should pay for his tours out of his own pocket. Ok, that makes sense. I hope you pay for the gas, defribrilator, and stretchers in your ambulance, then.

 

 

 

How do other tours get by at charing a quarter of the cost? Better yet a big production like Bonnaroo has way more overhead yet the price is equal?

 

 

 

A McCartney show fills an arena with a 20,000 person capcity, and bonnaroo has four maybe five times as many people way higher overhead and its cost is equal (and many times less) then 250.

 

 

If you really thinking McCartney is only getting a small net gain your fooling yourself.

[bobbob1313]

please don't mention healthcare

 

I only did it so he wouldn't have to.

 

How do other tours get by at charing a quarter of the cost? Better yet a big production like Bonnaroo has way more overhead yet the price is equal?

A McCartney show fills an arena with a 20,000 person capcity, and bonnaroo has four maybe five times as many people way higher overhead and its cost is equal (and many times less) then 250.

If you really thinking McCartney is only getting a small net gain your fooling yourself.

 

So he should be doing these shows for free then, right? He doesn't have to pay a crew, or rent out the arena, or hire people to transport his equipment, or anything.

 

He does the same thing Wilco does on tours, except they can't get away with charging 200 for tickets, and he can.

[jc4prez]

I only did it so he wouldn't have to.So he should be doing these shows for free then, right? He doesn't have to pay a crew, or rent out the arena, or hire people to transport his equipment, or anything.He does the same thing Wilco does on tours, except they can't get away with charging 200 for tickets, and he can.

YOU SWINE! lolIf your a firm beliver in captitalism and the right to extort the market then sure their is nothing wrong with what he's doing. Wilco is making a profit and paying their employees, the difrence is how much. Fundamenttaly I don't like our system of commerce.

I only did it so he wouldn't have to.So he should be doing these shows for free then, right? He doesn't have to pay a crew, or rent out the arena, or hire people to transport his equipment, or anything.He does the same thing Wilco does on tours, except they can't get away with charging 200 for tickets, and he can.

YOU SWINE! lolIf your a firm beliver in captitalism and the right to extort the market then sure their is nothing wrong with what he's doing. Wilco is making a profit and paying their employees, the difrence is how much. Fundamenttaly I don't like our system of commerce. So there fore I see McCarntey living beyond his means (many of these rockers). As established earlier in our system everyones preety much a sell out but the question is how much. And as I said earlier he's the biggest.

[bobbob1313]

YOU SWINE! lol

 

If your a firm beliver in captitalism and the right to extort the market then sure their is nothing wrong with what he's doing. Wilco is making a profit and paying their employees, the difrence is how much.

 

Fundamenttaly I don't like our system of commerce.

 

I don't have any problem with it. He's paying his taxes into the system.

 

As for not liking our system, it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative.

[jc4prez]

I don't have any problem with it. He's paying his taxes into the system.

 

As for not liking our system, it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative.

 

 

Instead of batting around what we've already established.

 

 

Whats so bad about the alternative????? Captilism is the root of oppresion. Wouldn't it be nice to get rid of that? As Mr. McCartney's other half once said

 

Imagine there's no Heaven

It's easy if you try

No hell below us

Above us only sky

Imagine all the people

Living for today

 

Imagine there's no countries

It isn't hard to do

Nothing to kill or die for

And no religion too

Imagine all the people

Living life in peace

 

You may say that I'm a dreamer

But I'm not the only one

I hope someday you'll join us

And the world will be as one

 

Imagine no possessions

I wonder if you can

No need for greed or hunger

A brotherhood of man

Imagine all the people

Sharing all the world

 

You may say that I'm a dreamer

But I'm not the only one

I hope someday you'll join us

And the world will live as one

[tongue-tied]

Sure, I wouldn't pay more than $50 to see Macca, but if any musician deserves to be a billionaire, he's my pick. His music has probably entertained more than a billion people.

[bobbob1313]

Captilism is the root of oppresion.

 

 

I call bullshit!

[jc4prez]

Sure, I wouldn't pay more than $50 to see Macca, but if any musician deserves to be a billionaire, he's my pick. His music has probably entertained more than a billion people.

Why does that justify finical benifits? i'll save time and answer it for you.Your system tells you that its okay.

I wouldn't call Stalin a true communist. I actully would say its preety hard to point to a true communist society (cuba is close though).Real communism invovles everyone and as we all know someone likes to be on top. Those of you that don't care about leaving others behind must really love this county.Nobodys better at fucking the poor then the good ol' us of a

 

 

ETA: ON top of that there are many forums of communism. I don't consider a dictatorship a communist society obioviously its not communism there ia single leader.

[Good Old Neon]

So he should pay for his tours out of his own pocket. Ok, that makes sense. I hope you pay for the gas, defribrilator, and stretchers in your ambulance, then.

 

Is there something about McCartney that demands he charge two, three or four times more than other performers? He makes boatloads of money through touring, boatloads - lowering ticket prices would allow more folks to see him play, folks who don

[Spawn's dad]

Your system tells you that its okay.

 

talk about kidding youself. it's your system as well.

[Beltmann]

earlier in our system everyones preety much a sell out but the question is how much. And as I said earlier he's the biggest.

If I'm reading you right, you are allowing that selling out is okay, but only to an extent. Which raises the question: If selling out is wrong, then why is the degree relevant--wrong is wrong, right? I guess I'm just confused about when I ought to begin judging an artist--is there a set percentage of profit that's the cutoff between "acceptable" selling out and "evil" selling out? And if so, what is that number, exactly?

[tongue-tied]

Why does that justify finical benifits? i'll save time and answer it for you.Your system tells you that its okay.

 

Well the oppressive system I'm under says that if you're exceptional at something and subsequently make something of it, you can have great financial success. if someone writes a song on par with "Yesterday", "Hey Jude", or "Let It Be", that person is an exceptional songwriter and i'd hope that they'd be financially sound. If they wrote three songs as good, I'd expect them to be rich or if not, robbed.

[jc4prez]

If I'm reading you right, you are allowing that selling out is okay, but only to an extent. Which raises the question: If selling out is wrong, then why is the degree relevant--wrong is wrong, right? I guess I'm just confused about when I ought to begin judging an artist--is there a set percentage of profit that's the cutoff between "acceptable" selling out and "evil" selling out? And if so, what is that number, exactly?

 

 

I'm saying its more understanble for a person in the lower end of the ecomonic scale to sell out not that its right.

 

 

Your right the degree is irrevelent. But these people (rock stars) are taking it to the extreme. They could survive and live good lives without selling out furthur but they need more. Most of the time people sell out in order to ensure survival; that in my mind is understandble. Not living beyond your means.

[Good Old Neon]

Charging exorbitant amounts of money for tickets sort of tarnishes that whole little scene they had going back there in the sixties - it

[jc4prez]

talk about kidding youself. it's your system as well.

 

 

very true, i can rip it all i like but I'm still a victim.

[jc4prez]

If I'm reading you right, you are allowing that selling out is okay, but only to an extent. Which raises the question: If selling out is wrong, then why is the degree relevant--wrong is wrong, right? I guess I'm just confused about when I ought to begin judging an artist--is there a set percentage of profit that's the cutoff between "acceptable" selling out and "evil" selling out? And if so, what is that number, exactly?

 

 

also wanted to suggest the idea of triage. Do you not belive in differences of any kind?

 

are all kinds of suffering the same? If not then there could also be differences in how much some one is abusing the system.

[stooka]

There are enough bands out there to dislike simply based on their music, why do we now have to protest artists who also are fantastic businessmen? And exactly when did it become something bad to be filthy rich AND a great artist? The idea that Paul McCartney and Bob Dylan are a "sell outs" is ludicrous. So, I'm supposed to burn my copy of Rubber Soul or what?

[tongue-tied]

Charging exorbitant amounts of money for tickets sort of tarnishes that whole little scene they had going back there in the sixties - it

[jc4prez]

There are enough bands out there to dislike simply based on their music, why do we now have to protest artists who also are fantastic businessmen? And exactly when did it become something bad to be filthy rich AND a great artist? The idea that Paul McCartney and Bob Dylan are a "sell outs" is ludicrous. So, I'm supposed to burn my copy of Rubber Soul or what?

 

 

hahahaha no silly.

 

 

I just think its a wierd phenonmena that people look up to these people. I love the beatles and Bob Dylan and slew of other assholes.

 

I think a lot of people admire and idolize these folks, my point is they are undeserving.

 

 

I think it a unqiuely rock thing that people idolize these folks. I think it has to do with hearing lyrics and a message and then the listener assumes they stand for it so they admire them.

 

Its like the Grateful Dead, a lot of people really worship those guys part of it has to do with what they were singing about. Those lyrics though weren't even written by them but by a man behind the curtian (Robert Hunter).

 

I don't see so many people worshiping Jazz musicans or classical artists as indiviudals. Most look at them as great artists (people love Miles but we all know he was a dick). Which is how these rock people should be looked at as, great artists not heros or humanitarians. Their roles get confused and in process they make lots of money and exploit the system.

[tongue-tied]

why can't a great artist be your hero?

[jc4prez]

why can't a great artist be your hero?

 

 

if they are exploting the system they aren't worth admiring. People worth admiring (rember this is in my mind not right or wrong) are those who bring us closer together as a speices and doing things that aren't for self gain but for helping save our planet or help bring us to peace.

 

But then again if were just talking a about a person playing guitar wanting to look up to someone who does it better then she or he well theres nothing wrong with that. But thats what you should be admiring is their talent. But like I said the respect for rock artists gennerally seems to strecth to that persons actions or their peronsal belif; esp. considering rock is very personal format.