Sigur Ros will not sell out.

[caliber66]

sniff...sniff...is that...hyperbole...?

[Atticus]

I'm sorry, I forgot to close the blinds

[jc4prez]

If you can persuade all of humanity and all of future humanity to join us in thinking cosmically, I'm with ya.

 

 

If people as indivduals don't wake up were fucked.

 

ETA: Hyperbole or not.

[EL the Famous]

The unfortunate side effect of this system is people who work their asses off, teachers for example, receive very little by way of monetary reward, while musicians, actors and athletes are rewarded in a way that far exceeds any actual benefit they provide. A persons financial worth is in now way a barometer by which to measure their worth as a human being.

 

Millions of people work harder than you could ever, in your wildest nightmare, envision, yet get paid very little for their efforts.

 

Our current system is rigged, corrupt, unfair in a way that cannot simply be reduced to some people trying or working harder than others - is that a part of it, absolutely, but please, don

[EL the Famous]

On top of that I'd to see you say that to someone dieing of aids in africa or starving to death in Bangledesh. I can gurantee their are people all over the world suffering that worked harder in a single day then you have in your whole life. You got lucky and were born here (or born into a soceity which gave you the means to get here). Your not thinking globbaly not even to metion cosmically. Your thinking about the quick turn around which is your enjoyment of life. Which hate to break to you is only temporary where as the human race will countine on.

 

okay, first off, fuck off (respectfully) for telling me what i think and don't think about or trying to make me feel guilty about the life i was born into. you are damn right i took what means were afforded to me and built upon that...but it in no way means i didn't have to do my part to work to get to where i am. my thinking is about providing a comfortableand stable life for my family and yes, enjoying life in the process.

 

if you look back at my posts, i stated my issue is w/ those who CAN work harder and choose not to. obviously, your examples don't qualify. plus, several of the products i worked on via my evil capitalist corporate sell-out gig raised millions towards the purchase and distribution of anti-retroviral medication to those dying of AIDS in africa...i've personally donated both time and money to AIDS related charities to boot, amongst other things. don't try and tell me i can't look out for myself and still think about/help others.

[jc4prez]

okay, first off, fuck off (respectfully) for telling me what i think and don't think about or trying to make me feel guilty about the life i was born into. you are damn right i took what means were afforded to me and built upon that...but it in no way means i didn't have to do my part to work to get to where i am. my thinking is about providing a comfortableand stable life for my family and yes, enjoying life in the process.

 

if you look back at my posts, i stated my issue is w/ those who CAN work harder and choose not to. obviously, your examples don't qualify. plus, several of the products i worked on via my evil capitalist corporate sell-out gig raised millions towards the purchase and distribution of anti-retroviral medication to those dying of AIDS in africa...i've personally donated both time and money to AIDS related charities to boot, amongst other things. don't try and tell me i can't look out for myself and still think about/help others.

 

 

Hey, you don't need me to make you feel guilty. I'm sure if you goto the BBC right now their are a bunch of news stories that will make you feel guilty for what you have.

 

I'm glad you donate money, I wish I could donate more. Sadly I don't have the means, right now I'm tring to educate myself to put myself the postion to one day create a greater good.

 

 

And I actully can and will try to tell you something I belive thats what talking is for. I can't speak for the corporation you work for since I don't know which one it is. But many of these corporations that do do charity work are having a negitive impact on our world and just because they do chairty work doesn't give them immuntiy. Enlightened Self Intrest is what most of these corporations and people act on. Not as desire to create good. For all I know your company is in the bussiness of helping people but they could be McDonalds.

 

As for getting personal I didn't. You basicly went out and said what I re-worded (and then defeneded); your intrested in self gain. Most people are. I don't hate you for it. Like artists who rape the econmy i belive they have valueble aspects I can say the same for every person out there: hard worker, slacker, idiot, genius.

 

I wish you weren't so offened as I said before I wasn't blaming the indivual (in this case  you) but the system. I'm gonna have to sell out to some extent we all do eventully until we change our world. Thinking about yourself in the now won't change the future.

 

Again no offense was meant. Not my style.

[EL the Famous]

super.

[jc4prez]

super.

 

 

Well I'm glad you took it well. On that note I'm out here.

 

Goodnight folks!

[Spawn's dad]

You make some good points. But revamping the system has to start somewhere. I propose we start now. I have a half dozen excellent 'tool rocks' and a bushel of corn that I'm willing to trade for your computer.

[Good Old Neon]

So, should teachers make more money or do? If you think that most teachers wouldn't gladly accept better finanical compensation for what they do...call my wife. If a persons financial worth is in no way a barometer by which to measure their worth as a human being...why should you care what either make? Plus, I don't think anbody here is even saying that.

 

I realize it's capitalism's fault, but the difference between a teacher and someone in entertainment is one business is a profit center that dictates if someone really likes what you do, it will show so financially and you are paid a portion of that money brought in from your work. Teaching...well, it's not really a business. That doesn't make one better than the other, not does it mean that one works harder than the other in EVERY case...they are just different jobs.

 

The alternative to working hard, not working at all or not even trying, is that how we got to where we are today? no, the money does not roll right in...but i can say via personal experience, that the harder i have worked, the more money i have had to show for it. sitting around bitching about it and waiting for something to happen didn't work to well for me...and i did that for a few years out of college.

 

that concept of working hard to acheive something is no less pie in the sky that saying people becoming lazier abd baring a sense of entitlement is a huge PART of the problem as well.

 

Of course teachers (or anyone for that matter) would accept greater monetary reward for the job they provide

[Spawn's dad]

And when you start installing arbitrary caps based upon your personal sensibilities what do you suppose happens to the potential of the creativity that supports new creations and accomplishment?

[Good Old Neon]

And when you start installing arbitrary caps based upon your personal sensibilities what do you suppose happens to the potential of the creativity that supports new creations and accomplishment?

 

One would hope that a more equal distribution of wealth, and a higher standard of living for all, would be enough of an impetus for continuing to create and innovate.

 

Much of the innovation behind our current technology came by way of the military, using our tax dollars. The rights to those inventions are then passed along to industry, resulting in the consumer level production of said technologies

[OOO]

[Spawn's dad]

without the ability for a big back end payday there's nothing to entice potential breakthrough discovers into the expensive and endless cycle of education to get them there. So your plan is to have the government float the note for your Utopian society?

[Sir Stewart]

cycle

[Good Old Neon]

without the ability for a big back end payday there's nothing to entice potential breakthrough discovers into the expensive and endless cycle of education to get them there. So your plan is to have the government float the note for your Utopian society?

 

No, I

[Atticus]

And so it goes with the pharmaceutical industry as well

[Guest j.bickerson]

really?

 

Listen, Mr. Fancy-Pants-Big-City-Lawyer, we don't have to prove anything to you. Look it up yourself.

[Atticus]

ok

[EL the Famous]

Assuming Mike accepts this offer, an offer that many within the sport consider somewhat low, he will be earning thirty million dollars to play what amounts to a child

[Gobias Industries]

Is this still even about Sigur Ros anymore?

[embiggen]

I'm pretty sure we all know the answer to that question.

[Spawn's dad]

d00d you miss the point....your going to get teh same 60k a year that Georger Steinbrenner, a-rod, and your sanitation man is going to get.

[Good Old Neon]

really?

 

Yes

[Atticus]

so pharmaceutical companies aren't spending billions on R&D?