ZenLunatic Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Well said, Matt. Things are, I think, broken to the point at which it will take a tremendous amount of courage, sacrifice, on a scale both large and small, and tremendous political will, from politicians, big business and our fellow citizens before any sort of meaningful, honest change comes about. How we go about doing that, well, that is the difficult part. I don Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 The only reason things are broken at this point is THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. Me thinks things were pretty damn good back in 99. I'll take the country in that state any time. Thanks for playing.Those are some wild rose-tinted glasses. Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 The only reason things are broken at this point is THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. Me thinks things were pretty damn good back in 99. I'll take the country in that state any time. Thanks for playing. Things change. There are cycles. Things will go up and down regardless of what party is in office. The real problems that need fixing has been building for a long time and moving in one direction. Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Those are some wild rose-tinted glasses. Are you saying Im wrong?? Things change. There are cycles. Things will go up and down regardless of what party is in office. The real problems that need fixing has been building for a long time and moving in one direction. like what? Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Are you saying Im wrong??I'm saying you have a short memory. Was Washington free from corporate influence in the 90s? Were there no wars? Was the minimum wage $20 or something? I think 7 years of Bush have led you to believe that we lived in the Garden of Eden before he was sworn into office. Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Are you saying Im wrong?? Yeah, I think he is actually. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 The only reason things are broken at this point is THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. Me thinks things were pretty damn good back in 99. I'll take the country in that state any time. Thanks for playing. With all due respect, that is absurd. To suggest only one party is responsible for the mess we are in, when both parties cater to, and are corrupted by the same corporate interests, is an act of intellectual dishonesty or a willful act of self delusion. Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 like what? Education, Healthcare, Environment, the state of America's minds in general. Just dont think you can blame a political party. Both Dems and Reps run and ran this country. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Clearly the Republicans are at greater fault for the sorry state that we're in right now, but it's pretty hard for me not to give some of the blame to the Democrats for going along with it every step of the way. Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Clearly the Republicans are at greater fault for the sorry state that we're in right now, but it's pretty hard for me to give some of the blame to the Democrats for going along with it every step of the way. The Democrats have gone along with it every step of the way??!!! geez With all due respect, that is absurd. To suggest only one party is responsible for the mess we are in, when both parties cater to, and are corrupted by the same corporate interests, is an act of intellectual dishonesty or a willful act of self delusion. IMO its an act of living in Washington most of the last ten years and on and off since 87. I feel like Ive got a pretty strong grasp on how things work. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 IMO its an act of living in Washington most of the last ten years and on and off since 87. I feel like Ive got a pretty strong grasp on how things work. Thanks."insider" Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 I think there needs to be more independence in thinking. Why subscribe to a label of a political party and follow? Political partys dont matter, ideas and values do. Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 I think there needs to be more independence in thinking. Why subscribe to a label of a political party and follow? Political partys dont matter, ideas and values do. well considering that there are 50 million or more "Republicans" hell bent on running this country the idea of collective action within a party appeals to me and seems absolutely neccessary for any progressive action. Im a proud Democrat and very proud of my party's record. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 The Democrats have gone along with it every step of the way??!!! geez IMO its an act of living in Washington most of the last ten years and on and off since 87. I feel like Ive got a pretty strong grasp on how things work. Thanks. Ones physical, geographical proximity to the White House, has, in my opinion, very little to do with ones understanding of how Washington works. If you truly believe the republicans and the republicans alone are responsible for the state we are in, well, might I suggest you have allowed yourself to become thoroughly deluded by partisan politics, the democratic party to be exact? Please, do not take that as a personal attack, I just don Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 like what?The inflation of medical costs. Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 well considering that there are 50 million or more "Republicans" hell bent on running this country the idea of collective action within a party appeals to me and seems absolutely neccessary for any progressive action. Im a proud Democrat and very proud of my party's record. People more concerned with their group winning and having control is all BS. Its why politics is looked as shady business. You fall right into the same category you hate and fight. Like Bob Dylan said, he is in his own political party consisting of only himself and he is neither left or right, just right in the center. Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Ones physical, geographical proximity to the White House, has, in my opinion, very little to do with ones understanding of how Washington works. If you truly believe the republicans and the republicans alone are responsible for the state we are in, well, might I suggest you have allowed yourself to become thoroughly deluded by partisan politics, the democratic party to be exact? Please, do not take that as a personal attack, I just don Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 I dont work on The Hill but most all of my friends do in some capacity and I go to functions etc......alot. Again I think my party's record speaks for itself but its easy to take the cynical route. Nothing would ever get done. I think the difference between us is that I dont believe Washington or The US is broken nor do I believe most politicians and folks in Washington (on both sides of the aisle) are corrupt. Most folks there are great people fulfilling their lifes dream of public service. I just happen to think that a Democrat is preferable in every way. I could be wrong of course. It is broken and corrupt, but I love it still. Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 IMO its an act of living in Washington most of the last ten years and on and off since 87. I feel like Ive got a pretty strong grasp on how things work. Thanks.So you think that merely living in D.C. gives you some kind of special knowledge about what's happening in the federal government? Whatever. I lived in Iowa for four years but that doesn't mean I know the first fucking thing about growing corn. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 The only reason things are broken at this point is THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. I dont believe Washington or The US is broken... Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Who is Barack Obama? Very interesting and something that should be considered in your choice. If you do not ever forward anything else, please forward this to all your contacts...this is very scary to think of what lies ahead of us here in our own United States...better heed this and pray about it and share it. We checked this out on "snopes.com". It is factual. Check for yourself. Who is Barack Obama? Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHIEST from Wichita, Kansas. Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia. When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocate to Indonesia. Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic school. Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school." Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that he is not a radical. Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education. Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta. Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRIST IAN when seeking major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background. ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran. Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches. Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential candidacy. The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States, one of their own!!!! Please forward to everyone you know. Would you want this man leading our country?...... NOT ME!!! So you think that merely living in D.C. gives you some kind of special knowledge about what's happening in the federal government? Whatever. I lived in Iowa for four years but that doesn't mean I know the first fucking thing about growing corn. it gives me a bit better grasp than some jagoff from Ann Arbor Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Thanks for another hate-filled post. it gives me a bit better grasp than some jagoff from Ann ArborIt gives you nothing but a zip code. Get over yourself. Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Who is Barack Obama? I cant believe how unbelievably dumb and retarted that was. If that was serious on your part, you have proven yourself as what you are. Anyways, he is part of your party system. Thats your man. Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Thanks for another hate-filled post. It gives you nothing but a zip code. Get over yourself. get over myself?? thats rich coming from you. go vote for ron paul and stick yer head further in the sand. Link to post Share on other sites
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