AGTierney Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 I hope it's alright that I post this here... I thought more people would see it. Over at a website, rbally , there is an ongoing free download of an incredible Jeff solo performance. He takes requests from the audience throughout, and naturally is very talkative. The show is divided into three parts, two of which are now online. Also, download the ZIP file instead of the individual songs to get the between songs banter. Enjoy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 (edited) The FLAC files are up at The Owl & the Bear - since May 15th, 2007. I have also seen this show up at various BT sites. Note - I just posted the above in case someone wanted it in FLAC. It has been suggested to me that people don't like "complaints" about the posting of entire Wilco/Tweedy shows in Mp3 here - so, I am not Edited February 4, 2008 by Analogman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Here's the previous thread about this show. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 I have to say, as someone who was there, I'm not real happy to see this posted in a lossy format. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Kinsley Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Your lossy is my gain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lamradio Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 I have to say, as someone who was there, I'm not real happy to see this posted in a lossy format. What's wrong with lossy? Just curious.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dondoboy Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Well, I've never had any luck at downloading ANYTHING at Owl and Bear. And some of us, or I at least, don't really get all worked up into a frenzy over the difference between FLAC and MP3. We just want to hear it. Its all so boring that those that aren't as well versed in all this computer malarky aren't allowed access to some of the music. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aricandover Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Well, I've never had any luck at downloading ANYTHING at Owl and Bear. And some of us, or I at least, don't really get all worked up into a frenzy over the difference between FLAC and MP3. We just want to hear it. Its all so boring that those that aren't as well versed in all this computer malarky aren't allowed access to some of the music. that's what B&Ps are for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 What's wrong with lossy? Just curious..While I have no specific knowledge of the taper's wishes in this case, most tapers insist that their recordings not be traded in lossy formats. It's common etiquette to keep them in FLAC for the purpose of trading/downloading. People can then convert them to the format of their choice for listening, but that's up to the individual. If this website obtained permission to post these as M4A files, cool. I don't know if they did or didn't. The person who recorded this show is a VC member, so perhaps he'll visit this thread and clarify things. If he's OK with it, so am I. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lamradio Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Ok thanks.. I agree, as long as the taper is ok with it. I've always liked FLAC simply because I normally covert them to a 256 bit rate MP3. Normally when you download MP3's, they are in 192 or less, and I can tell a huge difference between 192 and 256.. And for those who don't know how to convert FLAC, there are plenty of resources out there to learn how. It's actually a lot easier to do than most people think. Heck, I'm always willing to help VCers.. Free tech support.. No India call center here... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hardwood floor Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 posting or trading any lossless show in lossy format is forbidden by all collectors / traders / tapers it's considering polluting the audio pool once a lossy show begins circulating, the pool can never be pure again it takes half a minute to convert flacs to *.wav files so there's really no reason to convert to MP3 and trade or post the files are larger, but so what - now you have two sendspace files to post instead of one so whether or not you can tell the difference in sound, please respect the wishes of the tapers and traders and everybody in the trading community Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dondoboy Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 that's what B&Ps are for.That's a good point. I meant no disrespect with the "all so boring" comment. I was trying not to use the term "computer nerd". I happily admit that I can't figure out the download thing at Owl and Bear and I can play MP3. Knowing that, its frustrating to see how much is there to download and not be able to do it. I can't download it and there aren't MP3s of it: I'm a man without a country Frank. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gogo Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Do you know where the hang-up is in the dowloading? Folks around here would gladly help you troubleshoot, if you want to try to describe the problems you're having with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dondoboy Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Do you know where the hang-up is in the dowloading? Folks around here would gladly help you troubleshoot, if you want to try to describe the problems you're having with it.Thanks , any help will be welcomed. It appears to be one gigantic text file.anytime I try and download any song. Are they not to be downloaded one by one? Is there a step I'm missing? Are they not Mac compatible? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gogo Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 I'm on a PC, so... I don't know what the equivalent of right-click/save-as is for a Mac. Honestly, how you people make do without the right-click is beyond me. Anyway: whatever you're supposed to do to get that, you should be saving a file with a .flac extension. Are you not getting that? And then Owl's got some suggestions for programs to use to convert those files to .wav or .aiff, to play on your computer or burn to CD. edit: sorry, forgot this link: http://www.owlandbear.com/live-downloads/file-conversion/ Also in the edit: I think someone else had this problem with a Mac before, and there was something about just changing the file extensions. Is that right? Can someone Mac-friendly make any further suggestions? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 I like downloading MP3s and I'm not polluting anything. We have no rule against posting MP3s here. Just don't burn 'em and trade 'em. I'm sure there are plenty of people like me who NEVER burn shows to CDs, but will listen to them on their computer or MP3 player. If you want FLAC, download or share FLAC. If you want MP3, download and share MP3 (but don't burn them to share). Come off it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Have some dignity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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stickman Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 To help the mac users with owl and bear...at least for me when I download the FLAC files they are saved as .flac.txt files but by removing the .txt and then clicking that you want it in .flac format and not .txt format you have your flac files. It's kind of a pain to manually do it to each file but it really isn't that big of a deal. Hopefully that's the problem you had. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gogo Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 That's the one I was trying to remember! Thank you! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Well, I've never had any luck at downloading ANYTHING at Owl and Bear. And some of us, or I at least, don't really get all worked up into a frenzy over the difference between FLAC and MP3. We just want to hear it. Its all so boring that those that aren't as well versed in all this computer malarky aren't allowed access to some of the music.It is not overly onerous to install a thingy to convert the FLACs to wavs, then convert the wavs to AACs or mp3s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 I like downloading MP3s and I'm not polluting anything. We have no rule against posting MP3s here. Just don't burn 'em and trade 'em. I'm sure there are plenty of people like me who NEVER burn shows to CDs, but will listen to them on their computer or MP3 player. If you want FLAC, download or share FLAC. If you want MP3, download and share MP3 (but don't burn them to share). Come off it. You have a good point but still - people should learn how to do things the way they are done "out there" - instead of having Via Chicago be an exception to what one usually finds out there. I still think it's an i thing vs. a we thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 It can't be TOO much of an exception, since people are posting links to other sites. Rbally is pretty popular. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 It can't be TOO much of an exception, since people are posting links to other sites. Rbally is pretty popular. Mp3 blogs are a whole different deal - blog traffic, indeed. I won't argue with you - that would not be right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 that's what B&Ps are for. That has pretty much died off here - but - it seems to be alive and well on some other message boards I have looked at. We use to a BT site here also, but it is now gone. That is one thing I like about the Ryan Adams message board that I just joined - they seem to have a pretty active BT section. Which is a bit odd - considering all of his shows get put up in SBD form at archive.org. The Owl and The Bear is a great place - it's not BT, so there really is nothing too dificult to figure out. I decided not to wait on the answer concerning us putting shows up at archive.org - although I bet people would like that - as they do have Mp3 files up there. But as Mr. Lamrod pointed out - there is certainly a difference between the various bit rates when speaking of Mp3 files. I plan to get every Wilco/Tweedy show I can from now on and send them to The Owl. I am open to B&P - if people need to do it that way. I have one to put in the mail right now. One thing I will not do though - is post Mp3 files here or put them on a cd for people. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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