Vacant Horizon Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 http://blogs.wsj.com/biztech/2008/03/03/in...=googlenews_wsj NIN and new music business models. this is short and really interesting. i am fascinated by what's happening with music distribution and i love what rez is doing here. i am reminded of something i heard steve albini say in an interview where he saw the future of music being like church. every band builds a following and caters to them. in turn, the 'followers' support the band. i see magnolia electric as this type of band. although on a label, jason has such a devoted following that sees him every time he comes to town etc. Albini also said that being in a band has to be about loving it and not getting rich. so, do we really need the middle man, the record company. like most folks, we're gonna buy the stuff we really like, maybe even a few times. the shit we download is usually just that, shit. we don't have to buy cds and be totally dissapointed that it sucks. will be interesting to see what the record co.s do. thoughts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Drazil Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I applaud the ingenuity. We (the masses) are always looking for new ways to 'score'. I've love NIN for many years, will definitely check out the site. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
renic Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 not until tomorrow though. i've been trying since last night to buy the damn thing! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HungryHippo Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 wow, that was an interesting article. imagine going to the bathroom at a Wilco show and finding a MP3 player full of never-heard-before demos and home recordings from the band . that signed vinyl thing sounds neat too. I know hardcore fans would def. throw down on stuff like that, possibly helping to off-set the amount of money lost from illegal file sharing. back in '02, Joseph Arthur released 4 vinyl EPs called 'Junkyard Hearts' and each copy was hand painted by him. now, they fetch like $500 each. stuff like this interests me and gives me hope in regards to the future of music distribution. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vacant Horizon Posted March 4, 2008 Author Share Posted March 4, 2008 wow, that was an interesting article. imagine going to the bathroom at a Wilco show and finding a MP3 player full of never-heard-before demos and home recordings from the band . that signed vinyl thing sounds neat too. I know hardcore fans would def. throw down on stuff like that, possibly helping to off-set the amount of money lost from illegal file sharing. back in '02, Joseph Arthur released 4 vinyl EPs called 'Junkyard Hearts' and each copy was hand painted by him. now, they fetch like $500 each. stuff like this interests me and gives me hope in regards to the future of music distribution. yeah, like if it is a band i really like, then i am the one that is gonna go for the 35 song download at 256kbs. i also want to support the artist. those who download illegally wouldn't have bought the album anyway. file sharing is not ruining the record business, bad music is. i really think people support the artists they like. BUT, the shit that is on top 40 is just that, shit. and the kids know it. so they download it for free knowing they'll be sick of it in 3 weeks. there's no incentive for them to buy any of that stuff. where as back in the 70s, bands were around for awhile and built a following and this is how the record companies did it. they are the culprits of their own demise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lamradio Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 yeah, like if it is a band i really like, then i am the one that is gonna go for the 35 song download at 256kbs. i also want to support the artist. those who download illegally wouldn't have bought the album anyway. file sharing is not ruining the record business, bad music is. i really think people support the artists they like. BUT, the shit that is on top 40 is just that, shit. and the kids know it. so they download it for free knowing they'll be sick of it in 3 weeks. there's no incentive for them to buy any of that stuff. where as back in the 70s, bands were around for awhile and built a following and this is how the record companies did it. they are the culprits of their own demise. You are right on the money.. The top 40 needs more bands like Wilco to take the place of the shit bands (or singers, dancers, or other garbage in the top 40).. Good bands, like the various bands discussed here at VC.. Bands that don't suck and are liked by people with good taste in music. One of the members in my band is currently writing his college thesis on this subject. It talks about how Art/Music is sadly, dieing out.. And it's because of record companies that just want to sell an image and music that has no artistic meaning, just a catchy tune that gets old fast.. But thank God their are still good bands around that are finding success.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
renic Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 within the last few days, nin sold out all 2500 of their $300 package. the site is finally back up after it crashed. this is awesome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uwmryan Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 within the last few days, nin sold out all 2500 of their $300 package. the site is finally back up after it crashed. this is awesome. Awesome is right - that's $750,000. Imagine what other bands with a huge adoring fan base could make on future releases. Pearl Jam and Dave Matthews could charge $1000 for a limited edition of 2500 hand signed copies of their next release and sell every one of them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CortezTheKiller Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 within the last few days, nin sold out all 2500 of their $300 package. the site is finally back up after it crashed. this is awesome.Ah. . . . . don't you mean Trent? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vacant Horizon Posted March 4, 2008 Author Share Posted March 4, 2008 You are right on the money.. The top 40 needs more bands like Wilco to take the place of the shit bands (or singers, dancers, or other garbage in the top 40).. Good bands, like the various bands discussed here at VC.. Bands that don't suck and are liked by people with good taste in music. One of the members in my band is currently writing his college thesis on this subject. It talks about how Art/Music is sadly, dieing out.. And it's because of record companies that just want to sell an image and music that has no artistic meaning, just a catchy tune that gets old fast.. But thank God their are still good bands around that are finding success.. well said my friend. although, i am a bit more optimistic than your friend's thesis. i think the death of the RIAA will mean the death of the middle man. as a result, all the money i pay for wilco stuff, will go straight to wilco, not some capitalist. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobfrombob Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Proving again that he Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Nine Inch Nails Gives Away New Album DigitallyNine Inch NailsMay 05, 2008, 10:30 AM ETSusan Visakowitz, N.Y. Nine Inch Nails, in a surprise move, posted access to a free download of its complete new album, "The Slip," on its Web site this morning (May 5). The ten-track album is available in several formats, including MP3 and high-quality lossless formats, via a link on NIN.com. A statement on the site from frontman Trent Reznor says simply, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Not really a surprise (as evidenced by this thread) that he's going that route. It is surprising to me, though, that they are even offering it in a WAV format that his higher than CD quality. Was the last one offered in that format? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 I recall reading somewhere that Daniel Lanois was going to do that also. I wonder how long it would take to download something that big? It would be like snagging a movie file. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jc4prez Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 anyone else not get an email in return? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe_Syzlak Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Mine took over an hour, but did eventually come. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
renic Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 i had no problem this morning. he dropped a hint 2 weeks ago that something would happen on may 5th. jorge--he offers flac's for all his d/l's! and the multi tracks! I recall reading somewhere that Daniel Lanois was going to do that also. I wonder how long it would take to download something that big? It would be like snagging a movie file. i haven't really had any time issues when d/l'ing the full album,s or the multi tracks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 i had no problem this morning. he dropped a hint 2 weeks ago that something would happen on may 5th. jorge--he offers flac's for all his d/l's! and the multi tracks! i haven't really had any time issues when d/l'ing the full album,s or the multi tracks. Well, what I meant was - FLAC torrents are usually 400-500 Mbs, whereas Mp3 torrents are 50-60 mbs, for example. So - I would think a WAV torrent would be 800-900 mb? I don't know - I have never messed with such a thing. Although, I recall dudes upping WAV torrents on Oink. I know this is not Bit Torrent we are talking about - How big it the WAV file in size? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 i had no problem this morning. he dropped a hint 2 weeks ago that something would happen on may 5th. jorge--he offers flac's for all his d/l's! and the multi tracks! i haven't really had any time issues when d/l'ing the full album,s or the multi tracks.Right, providing FLAC's is fairly common at this point, but he's offering 24-bit WAV files or something like that. Mucho bandwidth. Totally uncompressed. I, too, have yet to receive my email back. I figured they are rolling them out slowly to even out the bandwidth demand. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sly like a Foxwell Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 i got my e-mail within seconds. dowloading the massive 1.5 gb wave files at home, and listening to the mp3 version right now. sounding good Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 i got my e-mail within seconds. dowloading the massive 1.5 gb wave files at home, and listening to the mp3 version right now. sounding good Now, keep track of how long that takes - I am curious. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
renic Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Now, keep track of how long that takes - I am curious. took me 10 minutes to d/l the flac files @ 6:45 am my time Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 took me 10 minutes to d/l the flac files @ 6:45 am my time Interesting - is this deal in a zip folder? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sly like a Foxwell Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 it's 1.43gb, at current speeds, i'd say 31/2 hrs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
renic Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Interesting - is this deal in a zip folder? the flac's were not. though the multitrack files are zip files. he also has a bt.tracker now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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