Gobias Industries Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Edwards equivocates on VP possibility:http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/20...ds-has-not.html Interesting...would like for him to show up in the slot, though he may have to get a tad more aggressive when it comes to his debate time. I recall him not being very aggressive pinning Cheney on issues so hopefully he'll be a little more bold when it comes time. Well, and in general. Link to post Share on other sites
uncle wilco Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Interesting...would like for him to show up in the slot, though he may have to get a tad more aggressive when it comes to his debate time. I recall him not being very aggressive pinning Cheney on issues so hopefully he'll be a little more bold when it comes time. Well, and in general. poodles can be pretty ferocious. i got bit by one once. Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 "Take it from me, elections matter" -Al Gore http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080617/ap_on_el_pr/obama_gore Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 How will Obama address this issue: From Salon.com In Iraq to stay The press is finally reporting on the U.S. mega-bases in Iraq that the Bush administration wants to make permanent. http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/06/...ases_permanent/ Link to post Share on other sites
fatheadfred Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 How will Obama address this issue: From Salon.com In Iraq to stay The press is finally reporting on the U.S. mega-bases in Iraq that the Bush administration wants to make permanent. http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/06/...ases_permanent/ Guess it kind of depends on whether they follow the natives' cues that are clearly telling them: just leave. What a waste of life, time, and money for both countries. Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 John Stewart had a hilarious take on all the Obama rumors... http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index....?videoId=173522 Link to post Share on other sites
explodo Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 That is great. This is also great, though a rip off of those Chuck Norris things from a few years back: Subject: WHO IS BARACK OBAMA? There are many things people do not know about BARACK OBAMA. It is every American's duty to read this message and pass it along to all of their friends and loved ones. Barack Obama wears a FLAG PIN at all times. Even in the shower.Click here to find out more! Barack Obama says the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE every time he sees an American flag. He also ends every sentence by saying, "WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL." Click here for video of Obama quietly mouthing the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE in his sleep. A tape exists of Michelle Obama saying the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE at a conference on PATRIOTISM. Every weekend, Barack and Michelle take their daughters HUNTING. Barack Obama is a PATRIOTIC AMERICAN. He has one HAND over his HEART at all times. He occasionally switches when one arm gets tired, which is almost never because he is STRONG. Barack Obama has the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE tattooed on his stomach. It's upside-down, so he can read it while doing sit-ups. There's only one artist on Barack Obama's iPod: FRANCIS SCOTT KEY. Barack Obama is a DEVOUT CHRISTIAN. His favorite book is the BIBLE, which he has memorized. His name means HE WHO LOVES JESUS in the ancient language of Aramaic. He is PROUD that Jesus was an American. Barack Obama goes to church every morning. He goes to church every afternoon. He goes to church every evening. He is IN CHURCH RIGHT NOW. Barack Obama's new airplane includes a conference room, a kitchen, and a MEGACHURCH. Barack Obama's skin is the color of AMERICAN SOIL. Barack Obama buys AMERICAN STUFF. He owns a FORD, a BASEBALL TEAM, and a COMPUTER HE BUILT HIMSELF FROM AMERICAN PARTS. He travels mostly by FORKLIFT. Barack Obama says that Americans cling to GUNS and RELIGION because they are AWESOME. Link to post Share on other sites
explodo Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Also, can somebody explain to me why torture and telling people that we don't torture while torturing, starting wars for unfounded reasons, destroying the economy, etc. is all morally wonderful, while abortion and/or gay marriage weighs down the conscience of the morally superior faux-conservative? Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 "family values" Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Also, can somebody explain to me why torture and telling people that we don't torture while torturing, starting wars for unfounded reasons, destroying the economy, etc. is all morally wonderful, while abortion and/or gay marriage weighs down the conscience of the morally superior faux-conservative? One (war, torture, lying, etc) supports a Link to post Share on other sites
ikol Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Also, can somebody explain to me why torture and telling people that we don't torture while torturing, starting wars for unfounded reasons, destroying the economy, etc. is all morally wonderful, while abortion and/or gay marriage weighs down the conscience of the morally superior faux-conservative? Why can't all of those be wrong? Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Why can't all of those be wrong? Ummmmm Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Ummmmm Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 No really, aside from religious dogma, there is not a single piece of scientific, empirical evidence to support the claim that same sex marriage is detrimental to society Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 No really, aside from religious dogma, there is not a single piece of scientific, empirical evidence to support the claim that same sex marriage is detrimental to society Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 No really, aside from religious dogma, there is not a single piece of scientific, empirical evidence to support the claim that same sex marriage is detrimental to society Link to post Share on other sites
sweetheart-mine Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 with overpopulation an extremely serious but now rarely mentioned problem, i wonder which people who are not pro-choice will step up and care for children whose 15-year-old parents can't care for them (or vote to fund their care). yes, sex education and abstinence or birth control and great guidance from adult parents ought to prevent almost any abortion from being considered -- but they don't (although they've brought the number down, which is great). in fact, i've noticed it's often the anti-choice folks who are also anti-sex education and/or anti-birth control. where is the logic and the end of that vicious circle? in any case, it seems fairly obvious that war -- going out and willingly (even happily) slaughtering thousands or millions of people of all ages or cultures -- doesn't much resemble a private and early-term abortion. Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 You forgot to include abortion.I think those are probably pretty rare in same-sex couples, but hey, a few drinks and irresponsible baster use, and things can happen. Link to post Share on other sites
sweetheart-mine Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 i personally have no issue, morally or otherwise, with it whatsoever...but there isn't a single piece of scientific, empirical evidence to support the claim that same sex marriage isn't detrimental to society (or at least until you post some opinion piece that says it isn't). officially recognized same-sex marriages are a relatively new concept in the grand timeline, so either way, a lot of anybody's stance is based more so on personal opinion. just sayin'.i hear ya, but do we need scientific, empirical evidence that same-sex marriage isn't detrimental to society before it's given a shot? isn't that sort of like having to prove one's innocence instead of having to prove one's guilt? i think in a few years all the hetero marrieds should have a convention and offer evidence, if there is any, that the existence of same-sex marriage has hurt their personal marriage. it hasn't hurt mine, and i just don't get the fuss. it doesn't affect my marriage or happiness at all. it takes away nothing. some people clearly feel threatened in some way by same-sex marriage, but maybe they ought to go for therapy to examine that instead of trying to exclude others from their "club." i mean, ultimately i feel it's none of my business and none of anyone else's business who marries whom, unless they're doing it in my living room, moving in, and taking over my house forever. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 i personally have no issue, morally or otherwise, with it whatsoever...but there isn't a single piece of scientific, empirical evidence to support the claim that same sex marriage isn't detrimental to society (or at least until you post some opinion piece that says it isn't). officially recognized same-sex marriages are a relatively new concept in the grand timeline, so either way, a lot of anybody's stance is based more so on personal opinion. just sayin'. abortion was conveniently left out of your response, which is fine...we've beaten that horse dead, reanimated it, then beat it dead again several times over. however, speaking to daniel's post, if you use the argument that if somebody really believes there is 'right to life' they should oppose the war...it seems to dictate that abortion could equally be considered murder. again, as i've stated, i'm pro-choice...but only by a really thin thread based on a few exceptions. Abortion was Link to post Share on other sites
sweetheart-mine Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 I think those are probably pretty rare in same-sex couples, but hey, a few drinks and irresponsible baster use, and things can happen. Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 I think those are probably pretty rare in same-sex couples, but hey, a few drinks and irresponsible baster use, and things can happen.His original mention of abortion had no same-sex stipulation. Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 His original mention of abortion had no same-sex stipulation.Wait, so same-sex couples can always get abortions, or never? For whatever reason, marriage has always been seen as a stabilizing force in society, so expanding the franchise to same-sex couples would presumably lead to more stability, no? Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 His original mention of abortion had no same-sex stipulation. Aside from offending an individuals moral sensibilities, I think you would be hard pressed to provide demonstrable, scientific evidence pointing to abortions negative effect on society as a whole. I find it interesting that I Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Aside from offending an individuals moral sensibilities, I think you would be hard pressed to provide demonstrable, scientific evidence pointing to abortions negative effect on society as a whole. I find it interesting that I Link to post Share on other sites
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