uncle wilco Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Source - http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/714.html you use a biased source for a biased study? so much for objectivity. hey, koolaid! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 You certainly may Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 MattZ mentioned it's impossible to report "news" wiothout a slant and I agree. This is probably the biggest hinderance to getting any semblance of fact from what you read in the daily or hear on the news. The key problem being that the slant not only comes from the network/reporter/paper but from the initial source. The majority of what finally gets to the press is a watered-down sugar-coated dab of reality. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
owl Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 you use a biased source for a biased study? so much for objectivity. hey, koolaid! I thought it was funny how a lot of major news outlets tried to create controversy around Obama's new Fact Check site, saying "It will be interesting to see if they cherry pick which myths to debunk." It will? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uncle wilco Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I thought it was funny how a lot of major news outlets tried to create controversy around Obama's new Fact Check site, saying "It will be interesting to see if they cherry pick which myths to debunk."the truth always lies somewhere in the middle. if i'm looking to debunk a myth about someone, the last place i would look is on their own website for the answer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 you use a biased source for a biased study? so much for objectivity. hey, koolaid! And what of the authors of the report - The Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland? http://65.109.167.118/pipa/pdf/oct03/IraqMedia_Oct03_rpt.pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 you use a biased source for a biased study? so much for objectivity. hey, koolaid!Here is the actual source: http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/art...02&lb=brusc What is biased about the study? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe_Syzlak Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 the truth always lies somewhere in the middle.I don't know about that anymore. I think that is what my parents subscribe to, as well. The idea that if there is smoke there must be fire. See my earlier post: One other thing I think is very interesting is the way baby boomers interact with email. My folks don't use the Web too much but they email with their friends constantly and it is almost ALWAYS forwards of one kind or another. And WHEN they pass it on to me, it is almost ALWAYS bullshit easily discredited with a little digging. I have told my mother to never send me anything unless she has AT LEAST checked snopes. But this generation seems to universally fall for this stuff and that is why 90% of my parent's friends think Obama would be sworn in on Thomas Jefferson's (!?!) Qur'an. It comes from a friend or relative they trust so it must be true! I think we have gotten to a point where the most blatant of lies will be floated because people know that, if repeated enough, it will become reality. Perception is reality. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
owl Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 That's the definition of propaganda: "If you say something enough times..." Oddly enough, one of the failures that the Bush admin has admitted to is not using propaganda effectively. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 What is Scorpio Cabal?What's your birthday? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 That's the definition of propaganda: "If you say something enough times..." Oddly enough, one of the failures that the Bush admin has admitted to is not using propaganda effectively.The other side of propaganda is information control, which Bush could not effectively accomplish. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fatheadfred Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 What's your birthday? June 25 74...So am I cancerous cabal? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 June 25 74...So am I cancerous cabal?I don't think Cancers are a "cabal" type of sign, but they do get along well with Scorpios. I'll make sure you know about our next open house! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fatheadfred Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I don't think Cancers are a "cabal" type of sign, but they do get along well with Scorpios. I'll make sure you know about our next open house! Is this an electronic community or face 2 face? If face 2 face, I can only make it to Cronkite's childhood stomping grounds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 A gift for Uncle WilcoIt's the sheep following the Bush administration that gobbled up their propaganda.... "BAAA...BAAA...BARACK" said the sheep.....is just what I expected from the sheep. It's a wee bit funny at best, but not worth much. Something wonderful about this election is you will see people from all parties supporting Obama.One of the problems I have with some republicans is that they will blindly support the party despite what shit they pull. Just look at how people still support Bush to this day.Many will vote for Mcain despite the fact he is just like Bush..and really hard to look at. Obama will win because people from all parties will support him for various reasons.Not just blind democratic herding. Some will say it is just because Bush and his compadres have sucked so bad that people will vote anyone in who is not a republican. Obama did not take his spot from Psycho woman so easily.We actually care who runs for the democratic party..unlike some other party. I send this with much love though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 the truth always lies somewhere in the middle.I think we have gotten to a point where the most blatant of lies will be floated because people know that, if repeated enough, it will become reality. Perception is reality.That's the definition of propaganda: "If you say something enough times..."indeed. that's the attitude they're trying to exploit. Make enough ridiculous claims about someone and enough people will start to think "well, at least some of it must be true." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe_Syzlak Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 We are so interested in winners and losers that we have lost sight of the fact that this sort of thing makes us ALL losers. In the grand scheme, the vast majority of people aren't that different in what they want and the disagreement isn't even that stark on how to get there. As Marge Simpson said, "Our differences are only skin deep, but our sames go down to the bone." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 A gift for Uncle WilcoIt's the sheep following the Bush administration that gobbled up their propaganda.... "BAAA...BAAA...BARACK" said the sheep.....is just what I expected from the sheep. It's a wee bit funny at best, but not worth much. Something wonderful about this election is you will see people from all parties supporting Obama.One of the problems I have with some republicans is that they will blindly support the party despite what shit they pull. Just look at how people still support Bush to this day.Many will vote for Mcain despite the fact he is just like Bush..and really hard to look at. Obama will win because people from all parties will support him for various reasons.Not just blind democratic herding. Some will say it is just because Bush and his compadres have sucked so bad that people will vote anyone in who is not a republican. Obama did not take his spot from Psycho woman so easily.We actually care who runs for the democratic party..unlike some other party. I send this with much love though. Unfortunately, the blind party loyalty you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uncle wilco Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 A gift for Uncle WilcoIt's the sheep following the Bush administration that gobbled up their propaganda.... "BAAA...BAAA...BARACK" said the sheep.....is just what I expected from the sheep. It's a wee bit funny at best, but not worth much. Something wonderful about this election is you will see people from all parties supporting Obama.One of the problems I have with some republicans is that they will blindly support the party despite what shit they pull. Just look at how people still support Bush to this day.Many will vote for Mcain despite the fact he is just like Bush..and really hard to look at. Obama will win because people from all parties will support him for various reasons.Not just blind democratic herding. Some will say it is just because Bush and his compadres have sucked so bad that people will vote anyone in who is not a republican. Obama did not take his spot from Psycho woman so easily.We actually care who runs for the democratic party..unlike some other party. I send this with much love though. well, i'm a voter without either a party or a candidate. non-support of bush or mccain does not mean i should be in the obama camp. bush lost me for good after katrina and mccain was never someone i ever considered vote-worthy. if mccain just assumes he's getting my support (or other conservative independents) that just makes an ass out of him. and it could make one out of me if when i flip my coin between a third party or his geriatric ass, it lands his way. i really don't know what i'm going to do at this point. oh, and Party @ the Moontower, you are alright with me regardless of politics. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
embiggen Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 anyone post this yet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
owl Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 well, i'm a voter without either a party or a candidate. non-support of bush or mccain does not mean i should be in the obama camp. bush lost me for good after katrina and mccain was never someone i ever considered vote-worthy. if mccain just assumes he's getting my support (or other conservative independents) that just makes an ass out of him. and it could make one out of me if when i flip my coin between a third party or his geriatric ass, it lands his way. i really don't know what i'm going to do at this point. oh, and Party @ the Moontower, you are alright with me regardless of politics. I'm glad to be living in CA, because now I can throw my vote away on a third party candidate and still be reasonably satisfied with the state's outcome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I'm glad to be living in CA, because now I can throw my vote away on a third party candidate and still be reasonably satisfied with the state's outcome. Same goes for me in Texas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
owl Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 You made me laugh. But I wonder if we just made each other shudder to an equal degree. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 You made me laugh. But I wonder if we just made each other shudder to an equal degree. Probably Quote Link to post Share on other sites
owl Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Good times. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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