Arlen Specter

[mountain bed]

I would think that Specter will have to play ball with the Dems somewhat. He should know Patrick Murphy is breathing down his neck - he could get smoked in a Dem primary.

[John Smith]

"The sun, at a distance of about 92 million miles, is the closest star to Earth. After the sun, the closest stars are the members of the triple star system known as Alpha Centauri (Alpha Centauri A, Alpha Centauri B, and Alpha Centauri C, sometimes called Proxima Centauri). They are 4.3 light-years away. (A light-year is the distance light travels in one year, about 5.9 trillion miles.)"

 

that was a paraphrase from a quote by Les Brown and ehhem, you can also overshoot something when you aim, then you actually would land among the stars. if you wanna get technical.

 

 

So are the democrats with their near super majority trying to move planet earth into the alpha centauri system? Sheesh, howmuch will that cost?

[jff]

So are the democrats with their near super majority trying to move planet earth into the alpha centauri system? Sheesh, howmuch will that cost?

 

Eh, they'll just get some space mexicans to do it for cheap.

[bobbob1313]

How much change are we really seeing with Obama this far?

[caliber66]

I thought this thread was about Arlen Specter.

[dondoboy]

Hell, I thought it was about Regina Spector!

[John Smith]

I thought this thread was about Arlen Specter.

 

Arlen Specter is so yesterday

[jff]

Has Hannity agreed to Olberman's $1000 per second waterboarding for charity challenge yet?

[Guest Speed Racer]

How much change are we really seeing with Obama this far?

 

If a horse had been living in a kitchen for 8 years, shitting all over the place and eating out of the foodstuffs, I would think it would take even a five star chef a few weeks to start pumping out haute cuisine. If a pig, a duck and a donkey had all inhabited that kitchen as well in the preceding decades, I imagine it might take a little longer than a few weeks.

 

My question is if anyone actually voted for him expecting change, as opposed to a man with a different method of shoveling out the same shit.

[Sparky speaks]

My question is if anyone actually voted for him expecting change, as opposed to a man with a different method of shoveling out the same shit.

 

 

I was hoping without much confidence for the first but had a sneaking suspicion we would get the second..........And I think that is what is going on unfortunately.........His economic advisers are worms and the neocons seem pretty happy with his foreign policy for the most part......

[Beltmann]

C.S. Lewis:

 

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

I like this.

 

I think I am going to forward this to the local citizen group attacking our public library for shelving young adult books with homosexual themes. My favorite part was when they called our award-winning library a "porn shop."

[bleedorange]

I like this.

 

I think I am going to forward this to the local citizen group attacking our public library for shelving young adult books with homosexual themes. My favorite part was when they called our award-winning library a "porn shop."

 

It definitely works both ways.

[futureage1]

Senate votes down foreclosure bill

 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/news/ap/p...osure_bill.html

 

"The Senate has defeated legislation that would have let hundreds of thousands of debt-ridden homeowners seek mortgage relief in bankruptcy court.

 

President Barack Obama had said the bill was important to saving the economy and promised to push for its passage. But facing stiff opposition from banks, Obama did little to lean on lawmakers who worried it might spike interest rates.

 

The bill would have allowed bankruptcy judges to rewrite a person's mortgage terms, if a bank refused to offer better terms based on income and home value. Only 45 senators voted in favor of the bill, with 51 senators opposed."

 

Mortgage Bankers Celebrate Victory

 

 

NOT ANOTHER DIME OF TAXPAYER MONEY FOR THESE BANKS!!!

 

As an progressive Independent I hate to rub this in...but...as I've said in here before...only to be shouted down by mindless Democrat cheerleaders...there are occasions when it becomes so painfully obvious that both major party's are aligned at the top on the biggest, most important issues....such as:

 

Banking

Foreign Policy (intervention, diplomacy with bombs)

Military Industrial Complex

Torture without accountability

NSA wiretapping without accountability

 

The list goes on...

 

Here is the List of NO V0TES:

 

Baucus (D-MT)

Bennet (D-CO)

Byrd (D-WV)

Carper (D-DE)

Dorgan (D-ND)

Johnson (D-SD)

Landrieu (D-LA)

Lincoln (D-AR)

Nelson (D-NE)

Specter (D-PA)- (202) 224-4254

Children in poverty Pennsylvania 2007: 16%

1347 foreclosures 2009

5877 since 2007 to 2/09

Funding by Wall Street/Businesses/Banks/Insurance/PAC, Total

$6,294,670+$5,330,973=$11,625,643

(Source: OpenSecrets.org)

Tester (D-MT)

Pryor (D-AR)

 

Alexander (R-TN)

Barrasso (R-WY)

Bennett (R-UT)

Bond (R-MO)

Brownback (R-KS)

Bunning (R-KY)

Burr (R-NC)

Chambliss (R-GA)

Coburn (R-OK)

Cochran (R-MS)

Collins (R-ME)

Corker (R-TN)

Cornyn (R-TX)

Crapo (R-ID)

DeMint (R-SC)

Ensign (R-NV)

Enzi (R-WY)

Graham (R-SC)

Grassley (R-IA)

Gregg (R-NH)

Hatch (R-UT)

Hutchison (R-TX)

Inhofe (R-OK)

Isakson (R-GA)

Johanns (R-NE)

Kyl (R-AZ)

Lugar (R-IN)

Martinez (R-FL)

McCain (R-AZ)

McConnell (R-KY)

Murkowski (R-AK)

 

Ask Specter or any of them how voting against protections from foreclosure was in the best interests of poverty stricken American families?

[bleedorange]

Ask Specter or any of them how voting against protections from foreclosure was in the best interests of poverty stricken American families?

 

That's not the only factor they have to weigh when making a decision on a bill like this. Of course, when you frame the question that way, I guess the answer is pretty simple.

[Gobias Industries]

Ask Specter or any of them how voting against protections from foreclosure was in the best interests of poverty stricken American families?

 

It's not only paid money. Passing a bill like that would kill contract enforcement. Sucks? Yeah, but without enforceable contracts less shit will get done than with a foreclosure bailout. Allowing bankruptcy judges to rewrite mortgages screws over the mortgage-lender. The mortgage-payer has no incentive to actually pay up because they could just rewrite their mortgages in court. Long story short? You'll see less mortgages go out, period, because mortgage-lenders have no power in the contract. They just won't contract. And we'll be all worse off for that.

 

It sucks for all those people suffering foreclosures, but there's definitely a bigger constitutional picture you're missing.

[futureage1]

It's not only paid money. Passing a bill like that would kill contract enforcement. Sucks? Yeah, but without enforceable contracts less shit will get done than with a foreclosure bailout. Allowing bankruptcy judges to rewrite mortgages screws over the mortgage-lender. The mortgage-payer has no incentive to actually pay up because they could just rewrite their mortgages in court. Long story short? You'll see less mortgages go out, period, because mortgage-lenders have no power in the contract. They just won't contract. And we'll be all worse off for that.

 

It sucks for all those people suffering foreclosures, but there's definitely a bigger constitutional picture you're missing.

 

Bankruptcy has historically always been decided by a court. There is nothing here that is even close to challenging the constitution. If people remember back, banks and lenders were supposed to address depreciated home values as part of the last TRAP payment. It's a shame the banks won't do the right thing on their own. All we're talking about is letting people in upside down mortgages be able to pay fair market value for their homes.

 

And this bill would have gone by a case by case basis, so all those worried about dead beats shouldn't be, because they would still be losing their homes. Not to mention without taxpayer money, none of these banks would even exist at this point. The crime is prescribing the same medicine across the board like this. It's hard to keep throwing the contract arguments up when every other contract has been broken in the name economic security, just not the industries with huge donors and lobbying firms. But once again we see there is one standard for Wall St. and one for Main St.

 

By killing this legislation, they have guaranteed 10 million foreclosures.

 

That's not the only factor they have to weigh when making a decision on a bill like this. Of course, when you frame the question that way, I guess the answer is pretty simple.

 

Specter had about 12 million other factors to consider it looks like.

 

Your tax dollars were taken from you, given to the banks so that you could be placed in a position of having to borrow back YOUR MONEY from those banks, while they get to now charge you hefty interest rates, that assure them of making the greatest squeeze profit they can off of the little you have left, after they behaved in the most reprehensible fashion manner, in which they promoted these financial products, while choosing what to ignore.

 

Funny how that works. They don't look closely at the borrowers ability to repay when raking them in to the predatory loans, preying upon your inability to re-pay, which creates their demand for bail outs by YOU, then become super alert to the fine print, when it comes to lobbying YOUR REPRESENTATIVES TO DENY YOU FORECLOSURE PROTECTIONS because THAT PRACTICE WOULD LEAD TO SMALLER PROFITS, than the MASSIVE PROFITS THEY CAN MAKE, using the BAIL OUTS that afford them NO LOSSES, and BURDEN YOU WITH ALL THE RISKS while ASSURING THEM OF YOUR BEING DENIED FORECLOSURE PROTECTIONS THAT REAP LOWER PROFITS FOR THEM.

 

So, the banks own the congress. And now the government owns the banks. We're all screwed.