Now I remember why I was an independent all those years.

[ikol]

On the aggregate, the media is neither liberal nor conservative. And since when have David Letterman, Jay Leno, Oprah, and the cast of the View been considered part of the media establishment? Since you’re casting so wide a net, why don’t we throw Big Bird, Sylvester Stallone, Ralph Macchio, and because you’re a big Pixar fan, let's throw Buzz Lightyear in there as well. When I reference the media, I have print and television journalism in mind – not celebrities and late night TV hosts, though your definition may differ.

 

Where, I wonder, was the liberal media during Bush’s term in office? If, as you say, we add it up, surely we will find that the liberal media went out of its way to criticize Bush at ever turn, right? Why, then, is the complete opposite true? If the media displays a bias, it is a corporate one. NPR, often cited as the snake’s nest of liberal media bias, is, in fact, one of the most balanced news outlets available. Of course, if you listen to the bullshit from the right, you would think they start their day by burning a republican, and then engaging in gay sex while laughing at the charred remains. But the fact is, they go OUT OF THEIR WAY to provide balanced reporting – despite what you may believe.

 

Michael Savage, if we are to take what he says as face value, is about as valuable a commentator as the leader of your local skinhead organization – and about as entertaining. You’re right, in that it is much easier to be entertaining when you say to hell with silly things like, you know, facts, or at least some semblance thereof, and just scatter bullshit in every direction, with no regard for anything even remotely resembling reality.

 

If Beck serves a purpose, it is a negative one, as illustrated by the recent, Million Moron March on Washington. Why is it that his fans are consistently misinformed with regards to just about any topic you care to question them about? Beck is arguably the worst of the lot, well, if we put aside Savage, an outright racist, that the conservative movement has christened him their new champion, is further proof of its slide into madness and irrelevancy.

 

You're just saying that because Obama is black.

[Guest Speed Racer]

So a few hate-mongering blowhards are filling the airwaves with exaggeration and/or lies and it's getting in the way of Obama wanting to good things for America? Somebody cue the sympathy music.

 

No matter who is President and which party controls Congress, both sides should always be angry when hate-mongering blowhards of any persuasion are filling the airwaves with exaggeration and lies. Period.

[Good Old Neon]

No matter who is President and which party controls Congress, both sides should always be angry when hate-mongering blowhards of any persuasion are filling the airwaves with exaggeration and lies. Period.

 

Exactly. Thank you!

 

Jacob -

 

As a self-described Christian, I am genuinely surprised that you find the hate-filled rhetoric of Michael Savage entertaining – honest to Christ. But then, it should come as no surprise, as a great many so-called Christians enjoy his unique brand of entertaining hate-speech.

[Good Old Neon]

 

 

So a few hate-mongering blowhards are filling the airwaves with exaggeration and/or lies and it's getting in the way of Obama wanting to good things for America?

 

Yes, in fact it is. But then, that is why I’m not a democrat – they lack backbone.

[jakobnicholas]

No matter who is President and which party controls Congress, both sides should always be angry when hate-mongering blowhards of any persuasion are filling the airwaves with exaggeration and lies. Period.

 

 

Perhaps. But that's part of the deal when we live in a country with free speech.

 

Some think Obama will try to find a way to limit or curtail "hate-mongering" radio. That's a scary thought, no? Who gets to decide what is "fear-mongering" and what is not? I don't recall Kieth Olbermann and others exactly being pie in the sky when Bush was President.

[Guest Speed Racer]

that's part of the deal when we live in a country with free speech

 

both sides should always be angry when hate-mongering blowhards of any persuasion are filling the airwaves with exaggeration and lies. Period.

 

So's that, thankfully.

 

Some think Obama will try to find a way to limit or curtail "hate-mongering" radio. That's a scary thought, no?

 

It depends on how Obama would "limit or curtail." Libel is libel, first amendment be damned. If by "limit or curtail" you mean enforce and uphold the true intention of the first amendment, then I think that's a swell idea, not scary at all.

[jakobnicholas]

Jacob -

 

As a self-described Christian, I am genuinely surprised that you find the hate-filled rhetoric of Michael Savage entertaining – honest to Christ. But then, it should come as no surprise, as a great many so-called Christians enjoy his unique brand of entertaining hate-speech.

 

 

"Hate-mongering" is your term. I find him refreshing. He just spews whatever he's thinking. I have an uncle who just lets things fly politically. And some of it is shocking or mean, perhaps. But it's interesting and provokes thought.

 

I don't think the average person is a dumbshit. Most people can sort through BS and exaggerations. Listening to Jon Stewart or David Lettermen's left-leaning sarcasm and Michael Savage's right-leaning "hate-mongering" could make most people get a good idea of what actually is going on.

[Guest Speed Racer]

I don't think the average person is a dumbshit. Most people can sort through BS and exaggerations. Listening to Jon Stewart or David Lettermen's left-leaning sarcasm and Michael Savage's right-leaning "hate-mongering" could make most people get a good idea of what actually is going on.

 

Probably worth repeating my anecdote from pages ago:

 

My aunt, a college-educated retiree, is having her knee-replacement surgery one year earlier than doctors recommend because she, a Fox News-watching, talk-radio-listening grandma, believes that Obama is going to euthenize her if she doesn't have the surgery before the bill passes and take away her healthcare afterward.

 

Some people isolate themselves. If they isolate themselves in the wrong place, the world is a pretty scary place. That's a lot easier to do than it should be.

[ikol]

As a self-described Christian, I am genuinely surprised that you find the hate-filled rhetoric of Michael Savage entertaining – honest to Christ.

 

Wait...when did you convert?

[Duck-Billed Catechist]

"Hate-mongering" is your term. I find him refreshing. He just spews whatever he's thinking. I have an uncle who just lets things fly politically. And some of it is shocking or mean, perhaps. But it's interesting and provokes thought.

 

I don't think the average person is a dumbshit. Most people can sort through BS and exaggerations. Listening to Jon Stewart or David Lettermen's left-leaning sarcasm and Michael Savage's right-leaning "hate-mongering" could make most people get a good idea of what actually is going on.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200405140003

 

So thought provoking and insightful--I wonder why anyone would call that hate-mongering.

[plasticeyeball]

http://mediamatters.org/research/200405140003

 

So thought provoking and insightful--I wonder why anyone would call that hate-mongering.

 

 

i can't believe you don't feel "refreshed" after that awesome douching.

[jakobnicholas]

http://mediamatters.org/research/200405140003

 

So thought provoking and insightful--I wonder why anyone would call that hate-mongering.

 

 

I think of Savage as an entertainer, and he entertains me. I don't take him seriously. Don Imus as well....who by the way, will be on a Fox Business Network near you soon.

[Good Old Neon]

"Hate-mongering" is your term. I find him refreshing. He just spews whatever he's thinking. I have an uncle who just lets things fly politically. And some of it is shocking or mean, perhaps. But it's interesting and provokes thought.

 

I don't think the average person is a dumbshit. Most people can sort through BS and exaggerations. Listening to Jon Stewart or David Lettermen's left-leaning sarcasm and Michael Savage's right-leaning "hate-mongering" could make most people get a good idea of what actually is going on.

 

The New Yorker recently published a profile on Savage – one in which he participated. He didn’t actually come out and say it, but he inferred that he, himself, doesn’t actually believe everything that comes out of his mouth. Which, taken at face value, isn’t such a bad thing, well, not, that is, until you start to think through the implications of what he saying. Which is, he thinks so little of his listeners, that he willingly lies to them, misrepresents facts, basically has so little respect for them, that he has no qualms about filling their heads full of make believe bullshit – I invite you to think about that for a moment. As previously stated, most of Savage’s material is as thought provoking as a skinhead or KKK rally – how refreshing.

 

Letterman is a late night talk host, now, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t ever recall a time in which he represented himself as anything but that, a late night talk show host. As for Stewart, are you suggesting that he is the left’s answer to Savage? For your sake, I sure as hell hope not. The truth is, the left doesn’t have a Michael Savage equivalent, well, at least not a syndicated equivalent.

 

You may in fact be a “news junkie” but you’re filling your head with “junk news.”

[Duck-Billed Catechist]

What's a Fox Business Network?

[Good Old Neon]

I think of Savage as an entertainer, and he entertains me. I don't take him seriously. Don Imus as well....who by the way, will be on a Fox Business Network near you soon.

 

Have you checked out this guy’s shtick – it’s fooking hirarious:

 

www.metacafe.com/watch/178650/rare_video_of_hitler/

[Good Old Neon]

The conservative movement digs deep and comes up with yet another winner to represent the cause:

 

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/09/miss-california-wows-conservatives.html

[Analogman]

A Day in the Life of Glenn Beck (Time photo essay)

 

Book Signing

 

Beck's most recent release, Glenn Beck's Common Sense, sold more than a million copies in less than four months. His next book, Arguing with Idiots, will be published in late September 2009.

 

That is quite a number.

 

82 pics from Glenn Beck's "9/12 Project" rally in DC

[Sir Stewart]

82 pics from Glenn Beck's "9/12 Project" rally in DC

 

 

lol

[Atticus]

I missed the whole birth certificate uproar when I was in the hospital. could someone give me the reader's digest on this? (maybe I'm missing the point, but why wouldn't the president just disclose his birth certificate and shut these people up? or did he already?)

[Winston Legthigh]

Both Obama AND McCain faced doubts regarding their "natural born citizen" status...

 

John McCain (born 1936), who ran for the Republican party nomination in 2000 and was the Republican nominee in 2008, according to his birth certificate, was born of two U.S. citizen parents at Colon Hospital in Colon, Panama.[38] The city of Colon was outside the US administered Canal Zone and remained Panamanian territory throughout the existence of the Panama Canal Zone.[39][40][41][42] A brief birth announcement in The Panama American stated that the birth had taken place at "the Submarine Base Hospital." [43][44] The former unincorporated territory Panama Canal Zone and its military facilities were not regarded as United States territory.[45] In March 2008 McCain was opined eligible for Presidency in an opinion paper by former Solicitor General Ted Olson and Harvard Law Professor Laurence H. Tribe.[46] In April 2008 the U.S. Senate approved a non-binding resolution recognizing McCain's status as a natural born citizen.[47] In September 2008 U.S. District Judge William Alsup stated obiter in his ruling that it is "highly probable" that McCain is a natural born citizen, although he acknowledged the possibility that the applicable laws had been enacted after the fact and applied only retroactively.[48] These views have been criticized by Gabriel J. Chin, Professor of Law at the University of Arizona, who argues that McCain was at birth a citizen of Panama and was only retroactively declared a born citizen under 8 U.S.C. § 1403, because at the time of his birth and with regard to the Canal Zone the Supreme Court's Insular Cases overruled the Naturalization Act of 1795, which would otherwise have declared McCain a U.S. citizen immediately at birth.[49] Although the US Foreign Affairs Manual states that children born in the Panama Canal Zone at one point only became U.S. nationals,[50] it also states in general that "it has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural born citizen […]".[51] In Rogers v. Bellei the Supreme Court only ruled that "children born abroad of Americans are not citizens within the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment", and didn't elaborate on the natural born status.[52][53]

 

Barack Obama (born 1961), 44th president of the United States, was born in Honolulu, Hawaii to a U.S. citizen mother and a British subject father from the Kenya Colony of the United Kingdom. Before and after the 2008 presidential election, arguments were made that he is not a natural born citizen. On June 12, 2008, the Obama presidential campaign launched a website to counter what it described as smears by his opponents, including these challenges to his eligibility.[54] The most prominent issue raised against Obama was the claim that he was not actually born in Hawaii. In two other lawsuits, the plaintiffs argued that it was irrelevant whether he was born in Hawaii,[55] but argued instead that he was nevertheless not a natural born citizen because his citizenship status at birth was also governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948.[56] The relevant courts have either denied all applications or declined to render a judgment due to lack of jurisdiction. Some of the cases have been dismissed because of the plaintiff's lack of standing.[21] On July 28, 2009, Hawaii Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino issued a statement saying, "I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen,".[57] On July 27, 2009, the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R. 593, commemorating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii's statehood, including the text, "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961." [58] The vote passed 378-0.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States

[Atticus]

now I'm sorry I asked. I guess I thought for sure there must be something to this story for it to have been such a big damn deal.

 

he is a muslim communist, though, right?

[Winston Legthigh]

he is a muslim communist, though, right?

and colored!

[jakobnicholas]

The New Yorker recently published a profile on Savage – one in which he participated. He didn’t actually come out and say it, but he inferred that he, himself, doesn’t actually believe everything that comes out of his mouth. Which, taken at face value, isn’t such a bad thing, well, not, that is, until you start to think through the implications of what he saying. Which is, he thinks so little of his listeners, that he willingly lies to them, misrepresents facts, basically has so little respect for them, that he has no qualms about filling their heads full of make believe bullshit – I invite you to think about that for a moment. As previously stated, most of Savage’s material is as thought provoking as a skinhead or KKK rally – how refreshing.

 

Letterman is a late night talk host, now, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t ever recall a time in which he represented himself as anything but that, a late night talk show host. As for Stewart, are you suggesting that he is the left’s answer to Savage? For your sake, I sure as hell hope not. The truth is, the left doesn’t have a Michael Savage equivalent, well, at least not a syndicated equivalent.

 

You may in fact be a “news junkie” but you’re filling your head with “junk news.”

 

 

I say bullshit to your claim that Savage doesn't believe anything coming out of his mouth. He may exaggerate and push buttons like ALL people in the media do, but that's it.

 

Thanks for the invitation to think about your statement. OK....I'm thinking about it......hmm.....interesting.....OK.....I'm done. I still find Savage a very entertaining host.

 

Letterman used to be a late night talk show host who was goofy and silly and funny and genius. Now he's a Jon Stewart wannabe, and he fails miserably anytime he tries.

 

Yeah, Stewart IS kind of like a left version of Savage.

 

And because I don't consider myself a very knowledgable political thinker....hell, I don't consider myself a political thinker period....if getting information from Savage and Leno and Letterman and Stewart and O' Reilly is filling my head with junk, so be it. Is it any worse than constantly quoting some guy named Anderw Sullivan. Who gives a shit what HE thinks? Should we?

[Atticus]

Yeah, Stewart IS kind of like a left version of Savage.

 

in my opinion he's really not. my experience with Stewart is that he enjoys finding hypocrisy, absurdity and senselessness on both sides of the aisle (granted he has a left bent) and turning same into comedy. Savage gets pretty apocalyptic at times, and seems to thrive on dissonance with callers. I personally can't listen to the guy. one negative, gloom & doom rant after another with him. I do tend to believe that his sensationalism is in part for show and ratings though. unlike some posters, though, it doesn't bother me one bit if you want to enjoy him.

 

edit: and letterman sadly is neither funny nor relevant anymore. late night tv REALLY needs a new face.

[Sweet Papa Crimbo]

 

lol

 

 

I don't find this funny...I think some people are actually becoming unhinged