Atticus Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 If someone thinks that woman is fit to run any nation, not least of all ours, then what's wrong in thinking that person is having a near-total lapse in judgement? Frankly, I think that kind of reaction is nothing short of responsible. I don't think there is anything wrong in thinking that it's a lapse in judgment. And I think it's perfectly reasonable in this case to state publicly that one believes another is having a lapse in judgment in supporting Palin as a candidate for president. That is a civil line of discussion. that's not what I was referring to (and if I wasn't clear then that is my fault)--I'm referring to the ego-masturbation that people engage in by the wholesale slamming of the palin-followers over and over and over and over and over again in order feel superior to them, and how traditionally that is not a very effective method of persuasion with regard to issues or a candidate. and what is the response?--more of the same--"well, those people are too stupid to ever see my point of view" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 that's not what I was referring to--I'm referring to the ego-masturbation that people engage in by the wholesale slamming of the palin-followers over and over and over and over and over again in order feel superior to them, and how traditionally that is not a very effective method of persuasion with regard to issues or a candidate. and what is the response?--more of the same--"well, those people are too stupid to ever see my point of view" But where did that happen in this thread? Most people here are doing what you just said was perfectly fine. As far as I can tell, no one is "slamming" them to feel superior, but really, truly think these people must be off their rockers to support her as a viable politician. People who support her as a hockey mom with a cute book who should stay that way, well, they're alright. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
myboyblue Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Worse than all this.....the ultimate fear-mongerer, Al Gore, actually WON the popular vote in a Presidential election!! THAT'S scary.You honestly believe that Al Gore is the ultimate fear mongerer? Not Carl Rove or Dick Cheney? I'm always shocked/fascinated at how people who toe a party line see things. that's not what I was referring to (and if I wasn't clear then that is my fault)--I'm referring to the ego-masturbation that people engage in by the wholesale slamming of the palin-followers over and over and over and over and over again in order feel superior to them, and how traditionally that is not a very effective method of persuasion with regard to issues or a candidate. and what is the response?--more of the same--"well, those people are too stupid to ever see my point of view"I disagree that people who slam Palin are stroking their egos. I'm not sure where you get this. She is a buffoon and a sham rolled up by the republican party to serve a very specific purpose. She was not at all qualified to run with a 70+ year old Republican candidate as vice president. That, coupled with some of the asinine things that come out of her mouth regarding religion, international relations, budget, etc., have led to her being slammed by people. The people that should have the biggest issue with Palin are Republicans. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Do you feel better? What do you suggest? Should we ban people from going around criticizing our President? not in the least. she should be free as a bird to say whatever she wants just dont try and act like she being intellectualy honest or something. shes being a disgusting hag because she knows what shes saying isnt true but shes trying to rile folks up by telling blatant lies. its nothing new coming from the right and not all of them do it. its not a policy disagreement its just a bunch of bullshit lies Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 But where did that happen in this thread? John Q. Public will drop his giant-size bag of Doritos in gratitude, wipe the Sizzlin' Picante dust from his lips and rush to the booth to vote for her. Not because it makes sense, or because it has a chance of improving his life or anyone else's, but simply because it appeals to the low-humming narcissism that substitutes for his personality, because the image on TV reminds him of the mean, brainless slob he sees in the mirror every morning. But where did that happen in this thread? So rather than attempt to gain their favor, maybe we should just keep them permanently distracted, with game shows and monster truck rallies and other stuff, not unlike how a snake charmer handles the deadly cobra, who, regardless of the amount of petting, will never allow itself to be domesticated. But where did that happen in this thread? Most people here are doing what you just said was perfectly fine. As far as I can tell, no one is "slamming" them to feel superior, but really, truly think these people msut be off their rockers to support her as a viable politician. it is not just this thread, but also the dozens that have preceded it, in which posters attack not just people's political or religious views, but virtually every aspect of their existence. I don't see what's healthy or helpful about it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 A good amount (but big minority) of people thought it was a better idea to have John McCain be president than to have Obama be President. They weren't voting for Palin. Worse than all this.....the ultimate fear-mongerer, Al Gore, actually WON the popular vote in a Presidential election!! THAT'S scary. Stop worrying about Palin folks. You all might worry more about the current President. Gore’s “fear mongering” is based on actual, like, science, and backed up by pretty much the entire scientific establishment – Palin’s mongering, on the other hand, is entirely fictional – a figment of her cynically calculated imagination – and therein lies the difference. We don’t have to play the bullshit equivalency game here, she is, without a doubt, the dimmest, least qualified political bulb to have graced the nation’s stage since people were shorter and lived near water. I’m not much of an Obama supporter, but since you keep bringing him up, let me remind you that the shit storm we now find ourselves in is largely the fault of that other dim witted republican asshat, the one you probably voted for, at least once. Obama has made some pretty big missteps, but many of those fuck ups have been in response to Bush’s fuck ups. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 it is not just this thread, but also the dozens that have preceded it, in which posters attack not just people's political or religious views, but virtually every aspect of their existence. I don't see what's healthy or helpful about it. Now you quote correctly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 I disagree that people who slam Palin are stroking their egos. I'm not sure where you get this. and I don't think you're a moron or a sub-species because we disagree. that's the difference. I happen to think that criticizing Palin's views, policies, statements, etc. is perfectly fine and healthy. I think that slamming Palin or anyone who supports her (as people, as opposed to their views) is a form of ego-stroking. The fact that you disagree with me doesn't make me angry, or make me feel the need to denigrate you to feel better about myself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
myboyblue Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 and I don't think you're a moron or a sub-species because we disagree. that's the difference. I happen to think that criticizing Palin's views, policies, statements, etc. is perfectly fine and healthy. I think that slamming Palin or anyone who supports her (as people, as opposed to their views) is a form of ego-stroking. The fact that you disagree with me doesn't make me angry, or make me feel the need to denigrate you to feel better about myself.no denigration here... I simply don't understand how someone could possibly support Palin as a candidate (or a public personality). Although my feeling is that it is blind loyalty to a party. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 no denigration here... I simply don't understand how someone could possibly support Palin as a candidate (or a public personality). Although my feeling is that it is blind loyalty to a party. I would guess the same way that people supported Obama. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 no denigration here... I simply don't understand how someone could possibly support Palin as a candidate (or a public personality). Exactly. I think there's a difference between petty insults[*] than there is thinking someone has pretty poor judgement supporting her. [*]Calling someone a low-humming narcissist and a lazy slob has a lot more to do with stroking one's ego as a writer than stroking one's ego has a political personality. Don't confuse the cult of personality and cheap shots with people building themselves up in comparison to Palin-supporters. Trust me, it's not that hard to do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Gore’s “fear mongering” is based on actual, like, science, and backed up by pretty much the entire scientific establishment – Palin’s mongering, on the other hand, is entirely fictional – a figment of her cynically calculated imagination – and therein lies the difference. We don’t have to play the bullshit equivalency game here, she is, without a doubt, the dimmest, least qualified political bulb to have graced the nation’s stage since people were shorter and lived near water. I’m not much of an Obama supporter, but since you keep bringing him up, let me remind you that the shit storm we now find ourselves in is largely the fault of that other dim witted republican asshat, the one you probably voted for, at least once. Obama has made some pretty big missteps, but many of those fuck ups have been in response to Bush’s fuck ups.Thank you, Joe - especially the first paragraph. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jakobnicholas Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Obama has made some pretty big missteps, but many of those fuck ups have been in response to Bush’s fuck ups. Oh, well of course. In fact, I think we should blame Palin for some of Obama's fuck ups as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Oh, well of course. So I take it you believe that all of Bush's achievements and missteps had NOTHING to do with the President that preceded him? (Not saying this because Bush is GOP, simply because he was most recently in office.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
myboyblue Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 I would guess the same way that people supported Obama.You think the two are on par? If so, that aids in my confusion. Obama and Hillary Clintom were both superior candidates to what the Republicans were running up. Further, McCain (pre-Palin) was one of the better candidates that the Republicans had run up in 12 years. He was just 12 years late. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Why are you all so afraid of this broad? She's harmless. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Why are you all so afraid of this broad? She's harmless. Not if she runs for any office again any more important than Milk Monitor. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
myboyblue Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Why are you all so afraid of this broad? She's harmless. the only way I'd be afraid of her is if I was a Republican. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 it is not just this thread, but also the dozens that have preceded it, in which posters attack not just people's political or religious views, but virtually every aspect of their existence. I don't see what's healthy or helpful about it. If you think this board is bad, go have a peak at Newsbusters.com – rather than poke fun at Obama and his supporters, they’re calling for all out warfare against the “faggots” and the “libruls” and the “librul faggots” in the media and beyond. I don’t feel the slightest guilt in denigrating the mouth breathing bottom feeders that make up a goodly portion of her base, not even a little. I’m not stroking my ego, I’m just thoroughly pissed that, say, health care reform has turned into a circus partly as a result of Palin’s influence, along with her asshatted supporters. As I was pissed when Bush and his supporters, which are, in large part, her supporters, cheer-leaded a war based on phony evidence. It doesn’t make me feel better about myself, it just makes me pissed off and depressed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Not if she runs for any office again any more important than Milk Monitor. Pshaw Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 You think the two are on par? If so, that aids in my confusion. Obama and Hillary Clintom were both superior candidates to what the Republicans were running up. Further, McCain (pre-Palin) was one of the better candidates that the Republicans had run up in 12 years. He was just 12 years late. Actually, I think McCain was superior to both Obama and Clinton. Of course, I would have voted for a three-legged La-Z-Boy over either of those two. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Starting at 3:38 of the clip linked here Jon Stewart explains exactly what I think of her (especially the "that's actually my favorite part of her" quip).People fighting back and forth calling each other names is depressing, but I'm still glad there's Jon Stewart to help me feel less frustrated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 I’m just thoroughly pissed It doesn’t make me feel better about myself, it just makes me pissed off and depressed. I know you're pissed and I know you're depressed over these things, and I genuinely feel for you. I used to walk around with a lot of fear, anger and resentment. I don't have to anymore. I just think that the feelings you have for the people with whom you disagree are a cancer to you, rather than any sort of real refuge. it is exhausting to be so frustrated all the time. I know from experience. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jakobnicholas Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Obama and Hillary Clintom were both superior candidates to what the Republicans were running up. On this forum, it's alwasy assumed and a given that the Democratic candidate is better than the Republican. If you don't vote Democrat in every election, you're a nutjob. Many very smart, well-thinking, great people had their own good reasons to cast a vote for McCain. In their, minds, HE was the better candidate. They didn't vote for him because they're racist or homophobes or Glenn-Beck-T-shirt-Wearing sheep. They just thought he'd make the better President. Just like people who voted Obama, thought Barack would make the better President. Atticus' posts on this thread have been right on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 I know you're pissed and I know you're depressed over these things, and I genuinely feel for you. I used to walk around with a lot of fear, anger and resentment. I don't have to anymore. I just think that the feelings you have for the people with whom you disagree are a cancer to you, rather than any sort of real refuge. it is exhausting to be so frustrated all the time. I know from experience. again. its not honest disagreement over taxes or something. its her LYING calling my party socialists and murderers. i personally dont say that about President Bush. shes a lying asshat Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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