Frozen Wasteland

[Good Old Neon]

Who determines who is surplus? ANSWER: The guys with the bigger guns.

 

 

 

Do you mean this guy?

 

[bobbob1313]

kinda like Bobdole.

 

Oh.

 

That's spectacularly dumb. Is it some kind of inside joke/right wing meme that I'm unaware of? Is it Sean Hannity's version of lolcat?

[Guest Speed Racer]

Oh.

 

He's saved at least 8 or 9 spaces in this thread; I think that's his contribution to conservation.

[JohnO]

First, who's they?

 

The italicized sentence does imply - I don't care what you say - that people in this thread have heard someone make that statement, and did not hear alarm bells. That, or, as I've said, it was a complete non-sequiter thrown in there for color. I like spinach!

 

That phrase was pure laziness on my part. I thought I have been overtly clear a number of times that this is about "the human impact of ___ v. ____," and didn't care to write out the whole thing.

Reading it in context who do you think "they" are?

 

The only thing the quotes imply is that I am quoting someone. When asked who used the quote I offered Algore as the example. Seeing as how I wrote it I can categorically state the there was no other "implied" meaning. Anything you fabricate beyond that is simply fiction.

 

Given your penchant for parsing and implying you should be more careful.

[Guest Speed Racer]

So it WAS an irrelevant non-sequitur. Thanks! I love shrimp cocktails!

[JohnO]

Oh.

 

That's spectacularly dumb. Is it some kind of inside joke/right wing meme that I'm unaware of? Is it Sean Hannity's version of lolcat?

And that is a particularly idiotic response. It must come from watching too much MSNBC. Do they still broadcast?

[JohnO]

[Guest Speed Racer]

Given your penchant for parsing and implying you should be more careful.

 

And that is a particularly idiotic response. It must come from watching too much MSNBC. Do they still broadcast?

[NightOfJoy]

Seriously, what is the "Algore" thing?

 

Maybe its like the term "bushCo" that I used to devastating effect for 8 years or so.

 

I dunno know, the "Algore" thing just doesnt seem to do it for me though.

[Dick Ctionary]

meme

Pronunciation: \ˈmēm\

Function: noun

Etymology: alteration of mimeme, from mim- (as in mimesis) + -eme

Date: 1976

: an idea, behavior, style, or usage that spreads from person to person within a culture

[moxiebean]

meme

Pronunciation: \ˈmēm\

Function: noun

Etymology: alteration of mimeme, from mim- (as in mimesis) + -eme

Date: 1976

: an idea, behavior, style, or usage that spreads from person to person within a culture

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCayacFcCX4

[Atticus]

when did the trend change from global warming to climate change?

 

so I'm guessing I'm not getting an answer to this--at least one that bears any relationship to a calendar

[caliber66]

phenomena

The word you're looking for is "phenomenon".

[bobbob1313]

so I'm guessing I'm not getting an answer to this--at least one that bears any relationship to a calendar

 

november 23, 2004.

[caliber66]

Also, "non sequitur" ends in "ur" not "er".

 

The more you know.

[Guest Speed Racer]

Ah! And I knew that, too. Thanks.

[Atticus]

november 23, 2004.

 

thanks. so that's when I was supposed to switch from fearing "global warming" to fearing the broader "climate change"? (I'm still supposed to hate people who eat cows, people with cars, corporations, Bush and Christians though, yes?)

 

I'm just trying to figure out how to be a properly pissed-off VCer. You people could make it easier you know.

[Doug C]

Honestly, I am not trying to bait and I will not respond to positive responses to my forthcoming query. I am truly interested in knowing if someone actually believes that a One World Government is being planned by current world leaders. If someone is sincerely concerned about a coming One World Government, I respectfully request that you reply as such in this thread. Again, I will not respond in any way. I am simply curious. Thank you in advance.

Though some see it as being bad form to self-quote, I assume that no replies mean that no one believes that a One World Government is in the planning stages and/or is concerned by this possibility.

[Dude]

Though some see it as be bad form to self-quote, I assume that no replies mean that no one believes that a One World Government is in the planning stages and/or is concerned by this possibility.

 

People are concerned, and they could share their concerns with you, but not on a public message board that the secret spy division of the IMF could read. I'm sure if you want long, rambling responses to this question written in crayon and covered with straight jacket scuffmarks, you can find it. Just be sure to don the proper headgear before you read it:

 

[M. (hristine]

 

I would also agree with GON that humans have made it their primary aim to remove ourselves from the natural flux of the world, and I have to disagree with you, M. Chris and say that our scale of occupation is unprecedent, not only by our numbers but the number of and means by which we exploit other objects for our own advancement and continued removal.

Speed, what I meant was that the scale our influence upon climate is not unprecedented. Climate change can be precipitated by any number of natural occurrences, and sometimes quite dramatically. Variation in the earth's orbit, solar and oceanic variations, plate tectonics and volcanic eruptions are some of the known variables. Isn't dinosaur extinction blamed on a meteor crashing to earth and changing the climate? Scientists have barely scratched the surface of understanding how these variables influence long and short term climate.

 

I'm not saying that the hypothesis of human caused climate change is wrong. I just think it's good to keep perspective that CO2 is one of many many variables.

[Guest Speed Racer]

Speed, what I meant was that the scale our influence upon climate is not unprecedented.

 

I still think that as a single species, consuming the materials that we do so far beyond our physical needs for fuel, we influence the climate/shape the available resources in a very unprecendented way, not least of all for a species our size.

[Good Old Neon]

An Ominous Warning on the Effects of Ocean Acidification

 

A new study says the seas are acidifying ten times faster today than 55 million years ago when a mass extinction of marine species occurred. And, the study concludes, current changes in ocean chemistry due to the burning of fossil fuels may portend a new wave of die-offs.

 

http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2241

[M. (hristine]

An Ominous Warning on the Effects of Ocean Acidification

 

A new study says the seas are acidifying ten times faster today than 55 million years ago when a mass extinction of marine species occurred. And, the study concludes, current changes in ocean chemistry due to the burning of fossil fuels may portend a new wave of die-offs.

 

http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2241

There are times when I'm not sure that even an event of this magnitude could put a monkey wrench into the grinding gears of the compressed fossil incineration machine

[lamradio]

We didn't listen!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[futureage1]

Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html

 

The academic at the centre of the ‘Climategate’ affair, whose raw data is crucial to the theory of climate change, has admitted that he has trouble ‘keeping track’ of the information.

 

Colleagues say that the reason Professor Phil Jones has refused Freedom of Information requests is that he may have actually lost the relevant papers.

 

Professor Jones told the BBC yesterday there was truth in the observations of colleagues that he lacked organizational skills, that his office was swamped with piles of paper and that his record keeping is ‘not as good as it should be’.

 

The data is crucial to the famous ‘hockey stick graph’ used by climate change advocates to support the theory.

 

Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.

 

And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.

 

The admissions will be seized on by skeptics as fresh evidence that there are serious flaws at the heart of the science of climate change and the orthodoxy that recent rises in temperature are largely man-made.

 

Professor Jones has been in the spotlight since he stepped down as director of the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit after the leaking of emails that skeptics claim show scientists were manipulating data.

 

The raw data, collected from hundreds of weather stations around the world and analyzed by his unit, has been used for years to bolster efforts by the United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to press governments to cut carbon dioxide emissions.

 

More on Prof. Jones...

Jones may submit a correction to his 1990 paper – Keenan responds

 

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/02/16/jones-may-submit-a-correction-to-his-1990-paper-keenan-responds/

 

African crops yield another catastrophe for the IPCC

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7231386/African-crops-yield-another-catastrophe-for-the-IPCC.html

 

Ever more question marks have been raised in recent weeks over the reputations of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and of its chairman, Dr Rajendra Pachauri. But the latest example to emerge is arguably the most bizarre and scandalous of all. It centres on a very specific scare story which was included in the IPCC's 2007 report, although it was completely at odds with the scientific evidence – including that produced by the British expert in charge of the relevant section of the report. Even more tellingly, however, this particular claim has repeatedly been championed by Dr Pachauri himself.

 

Only last week Dr Pachauri was specifically denying that the appearance of this claim in two IPCC reports, including one of which he was the editor, was an error. Yet it has now come to light that the IPCC, ignoring the evidence of its own experts, deliberately published the claim for propaganda purposes.

One of the most widely quoted and most alarmist passages in the main 2007 report was a warning that, by 2020, global warming could reduce crop yields in some countries in Africa by 50 per cent. Dr Pachauri not only allowed this claim to be included in the short Synthesis Report, of which he was co-editor, but has publicly repeated it many times since.

The origin of this claim was a report written for a Canadian advocacy group by Ali Agoumi, a Moroccan academic who draws part of his current income from advising on how to make applications for "carbon credits". As his primary sources he cited reports for three North African governments. But none of these remotely supported what he wrote. The nearest any got to providing evidence for his claim was one for the Moroccan government, which said that in serious drought years, cereal yields might be reduced by 50 per cent. The report for the Algerian government, on the other hand, predicted that, on current projections, "agricultural production will more than double by 2020". Yet it was Agoumi's claim that climate change could cut yields by 50 per cent that was headlined in the IPCC's Working Group II report in 2007.

 

What made this even odder, however, was that the group's co-chairman was a British agricultural expert, Dr Martin Parry, whose consultancy group, Martin Parry Associates, had been paid £75,000 by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) for two reports which had come to totally different conclusions. Specifically designed to inform the IPCC's 2007 report, these predicted that by 2020 any changes were likely to be insignificant.

 

British taxpayers poured out money for the section of the IPCC report for which Dr Parry was responsible. Defra paid £2.5 million through the Met Office, plus £330,000 for Dr Parry's salary as co-chairman, and a further £75,000 to his consultancy for two more reports on the impact of global warming on world food supplies. Yet when it came to the impact on Africa, all this peer-reviewed work – including further expert reports by Britain's Dr Mike Hulme and Dutch and German teams – was ignored in favour of a prediction from one Moroccan activist at odds with his own cited sources.

 

However, the story then got worse when Dr Pachauri himself came to edit and co-author the IPCC's Synthesis Report (for which the IPCC paid his Delhi-based Teri institute, out of the £400,000 allocated for its production). Not only did Pachauri's version again give prominence to Agoumi's 50 per cent figure, but he himself has repeated the claim on numerous occasions since, in articles, interviews and speeches –such as the one he gave to a climate summit in Potsdam last September, where he boasted he was speaking "in the voice of the world's scientific community".

 

Only last week, in an interview available on YouTube, Dr Pachauri was asked about errors in the IPCC's 2007 report and his own Synthesis Report, with specific reference to the loss of North African crops. His reply was that – aside from the prediction that the IPCC has now had to disown, that Himalayan glaciers could vanish by 2035 – the reports contained "no errors". Passages such as those on African crops were "not errors and we are absolutely certain that what we have said over that can be substantiated".

 

In the wake of all the other recent scandals, "Africa-gate" may be the most damaging of all, because of the involvement of Dr Pachauri himself. Not only is the reputation of the IPCC in tatters, but that of its chairman appears irreperably damaged. Yet the world's politicians cannot afford to see him resign because, if he goes, the whole sham edifice they have sworn by would come tumbling down.

 

Core Publications

Agenda 21

 

http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_00.shtml

 

This is the "green" agenda we have been operating under from the UN since 1992. If you have not read or heard of it etc. then you really have no idea what you are talking about and are going on blind assumptions.

 

 

Global Governance

 

Our Global Neighborhood

The Report of the Commission on Global Governance

 

http://www.libertymatters.org/globalgovernance.htm

 

From Chapter Seven-"A Call To Action"-

The role of the IMF should be enhanced by:

 

*enlarging its capacity for balance- of- payments support through low conditionality compensatory finance;

*having oversight of the international monetary system and a capacity to ensure that domestic economic policies in major countries are not mutually inconsistent or damaging to the rest of the international community;

*releasing a new issue of Special Drawing Rights; and

*improving its capacity to support nominal exchange rates in the interest of exchange rate stability.

 

I'm not even arguing the science more the solutions. The very financial institutions that brought down the world economy are now to be entrusted with trading carbon credits to save the planet. It's so ridiculous,just on the surface, I can't believe people are still going along with it. Global warming may indeed be real but carbon credits will do nothing to solve this. That is their solution as they propose more wars in the same breath. You are expected to pay carbon credits as private contractors charge the US $100 for a gallon of gas in the mideast. To not be questioning these proposals is laughable.

 

Yet, any discussion of these policies on this board degenerates into name calling and bickering. Absurd charges come my way and derails the entire discussion. To think that the name calling and arrogance is necessary or warranted is dead wrong. For the record, I have made no claims of FEMA camps and don't believe in aliens. I have studied this subject for 15 years and have tried to tell others that they were indeed wrong about camps. They are not however wrong knowing there is a push for Global Govt. In this subject there is a lot crap you have to sift through. Some claims regarding global government are ridiculous. To continue to equate those claims with ones that are backed up with the people in question own words and documents is totally irrational thinking and ultimately not my fault. There is a push for a global currency but then pictures are posted of fake Ameros, many times without even bringing up the subject. I agree with the article Sparky posted. They will tie it in with carbon credits and it will be cashless and GLOBAL. I have no way of knowing when this will happen but inflation takes 3 years to reach the actual economy. California's debt is larger than the entire country of Greece alone. We are headed for the same scenario. If you want to see it in action with the same banks and international bodies like the IMF, then I recommend this documentary.

Argentina's Economic Collapse (FULL VERSION)

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4353655982817317115#

 

 

 

For those interested in sifting past the Alex Jones & Glenn Beck misinformation and fearmongering I will leave these links with an interview with Carroll Quigley. He wrote Tragedy & Hope, which is one of the original sources of information about this network. You can look up his biography on your own, if you want. He has a flawless reputation. Groups like the John Birch Society misquoted and twisted the meaning of a lot of the book. He refutes them and discusses the FACTUAL and DOCUMENTED workings of these think tanks,foundations and stated goals. Chomsky and Zinn also both have written extensively about it, but somehow I bet this board won't consider them crackpots. Nothing done in secret in Governmental bodies has ever been for the benefit of mankind and Global govt. will be no exception.

 

So to still be denying there is such a thing is juvenile,ridiculous and utterly ignorant. There is a lot of misinformation put out so you don't look into it for yourselves, by, the very media with a vested interest to see that it is accomplished. It's incredible how much information is out there and how many politicians speak openly about it and people still deny it exists. It is mind boggling. I don't care if you don't agree with me but the hostility really needs to be taken down a few notches,no matter what your opinion is. Some of it's not true. They don't want to put you in a camp. You should not so much be worried about that as the quality of your life, which is headed down, while the people perpetuating the "solutions" fly around in private chartered jets. These things can be reversed,but,first you must acknowledge they exist and that there is a problem. BTW The Rockefeller Bros. Fund is set to be in charge of the carbon credit exchange in the USA. Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of this family and specific fund should have red flags going up with that detail and the proposed "solution" to global warming. OK, now everyone please assemble into goups of right and left, D and R and start fighting amongst yourselves while the oligarchs loot your country. Shouting that it is "socialism for the working classes", when in fact it's socialism for Wall St., is exactly what the sponsors of the Red Team vs Blue Team Games want.

 

“The goal of modern propaganda is no longer to transform opinion but to arouse an active and mythical belief.” Jacques Ellul

 

"There are none so enslaved as those who delude that they're free."

-Goethe

 

 

U.S. Economic Terrorism the New 'Winning Trade'

 

http://bullionbullscanada.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8560:us-economic-terrorism-the-new-winning-trade&catid=47:us-commentary&Itemid=132

 

When Wall Street planned and executed the U.S. housing-bubble (and all its related scams), it destroyed the lives of tens of millions of Americans. Then, when it subsequently 'crashed' global markets, it inflicted hardship on most of the world. But the Oligarchs were just getting started.

 

 

As governments responded in a totally predictable manner, Wall Street began to collect on its interest-rate swap scam (see “WHO were the WINNERS in Interest Rate Swaps?”). With this scam the Oligarchs progressed from merely destroying companies and individuals to destroying schools, hospitals, towns and even states.

 

 

However, as we are now finding out, those were merely Wall Street's “appetizers”. For their “main course”, the Oligarchs have moved up to destroying nations. Here, I must confess to once again underestimating the Oligarchs. I had thought that the latest propaganda campaign was merely a tactic to pull the worthless, U.S. dollar out of yet another nose-dive. How wrong I was!

 

 

I should have been tipped-off by the obsessive/excessive “coverage” from the U.S. media of Greece's (and now the rest of the “PIGS”s) financial problems. The indifference of Americans to any and all events which take place outside of their own borders is legendary. Apart from wars, Americans generally have as much curiosity about the “rest of the world” as the average house-fly.

 

 

Even if a massive earthquake had swallowed-up Greece like some modern-day Atlantis, such an event would have interested Americans for no more than a few days. To illustrate this, we only need to observe how grossly disproportionate has been the “coverage” of Greece's financial problems compared to the devastating earthquake which struck Haiti – a close neighbour to the U.S.

 

 

For those propaganda-numbed sheep who would argue that Greece's budget crisis warrants weeks of around-the-clock coverage, you need to acquire some perspective. As has been frequently mentioned outside of the U.S. propaganda-machine, the Greek economy constitutes less than 3% of the EU. In other words, this would be like the rest of the world writing commentary-after-commentary predicting disaster for the United States because of financial problems in the state of Oregon.

 

 

For the record, while there are a handful of European nations with serious financial crises, these nations represent no more than 1/3 of the EU economy. In contrast, as has been frequently published, there are at least forty U.S. states struggling to ward off insolvency – and representing somewhere around 80% of the U.S. economy.

 

People can hate on Joe Bag ODonuts and imagine that Mr. & Mrs. Average Joe has more power than the lobbyists who write the legislation all you want, but who exactly is being subsidized and bailed out by the govt takeover of Fannie & Freddie? Is it the home-mortgage owner or the owner of the bonds?

 

Carroll Quigley Interview (part 1 of 5)

 

 

He starts discussing the book starting at about 6 mins into the video.

Carroll Quigley Interview (part 2 of 5)

Carroll Quigley Interview (part 3 of 5)

Carroll Quigley Interview (part 4 of 5)

Carroll Quigley Interview (part 5 of 5)